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Are you comfortable with the fact that many U.S. Senators are owned by Israel?; Liberman should register as a foreign agent in my opinion.
Topic Started: Feb 24 2012, 02:49 AM (1,225 Views)
Chris
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Isn't unionism a tangent?
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Chris
Feb 24 2012, 10:31 PM
Isn't unionism a tangent?
Afraid you are going to have to explain what that has to do with the topic.
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Oops, I'm using cell and let that slip.

Meant to say isn't zionism a tangent?
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Feb 24 2012, 10:51 PM
Oops, I'm using cell and let that slip.

Meant to say isn't zionism a tangent?
I don't think so. I referred to it as a response to Ban's insinuation that I was attacking all Jews. I explained that it wasn't all Jews, just the Zionists.
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Feb 24 2012, 11:26 PM
Chris
Feb 24 2012, 10:51 PM
Oops, I'm using cell and let that slip.

Meant to say isn't zionism a tangent?
I don't think so. I referred to it as a response to Ban's insinuation that I was attacking all Jews. I explained that it wasn't all Jews, just the Zionists.
Yes, so why bring up zionists? Are they representative of Jews?
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Feb 24 2012, 01:28 PM
I'm sure the pro Isreal lobby has a fair amount of clout. But, we have a lot of jews in the US who identify Isreal as their ancestral homeland. So, it's understandable. Of all the immigrant groups the jews stand out for their contributions to the country, and I don't think they should be villified.
So we Irish were just fodder for the Civil War and labor camps? We never accomplished anything or gave anything of value to the nation? Do you see us pimping for Ireland? How much aide does Ireland get? Where was the hand wringing as we were slaughtered by the English? Yea I know Tom, we're just Irish scum.
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Chris
Feb 25 2012, 01:10 AM
Mountainrivers
Feb 24 2012, 11:26 PM
Chris
Feb 24 2012, 10:51 PM
Oops, I'm using cell and let that slip.

Meant to say isn't zionism a tangent?
I don't think so. I referred to it as a response to Ban's insinuation that I was attacking all Jews. I explained that it wasn't all Jews, just the Zionists.
Yes, so why bring up zionists? Are they representative of Jews?
They are Jews.
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Are they representative of Jews?
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Feb 25 2012, 02:47 AM
Are they representative of Jews?
They're representative of the Jews I'm talking about. You'll have to decide for yourself, whether they are representative of the Jews you are talking about.
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You're going to have to differentiate Israeli Jews, from Zionist Jews, from other kinds of Jews and how that relates to a Jewish lobby. I get the impression that you are saying (maybe not) that the Jewish lobby is made up of "Zionists."

Is a middle class Jew and a lower class Jew in the US who contribute some of their meager earnings to the Jewish lobby in support of their ancestral home (much as a middle class union member may contribute to a union lobby in support of his vocational home) a Zionist? Is a Zionist a bad person, a negative term? If so what should we call the union member then who contributes to his union lobby? Or the gay person who contributes to the larger gay lobby.... what do we call them as they are no different the the Jew who contributes. Seems as though all lobbies are in the pocket of something. And I ask again why is a Jewish lobby any different from a union lobby or a gay rights lobby or a minority lobby? ..... except for the labels we put on them to justify our position.
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