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Are you comfortable with the fact that many U.S. Senators are owned by Israel?; Liberman should register as a foreign agent in my opinion.
Topic Started: Feb 24 2012, 02:49 AM (1,227 Views)
Thumper
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Remember the USS Liberty and John Pollard? Nuff said.
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Banandangees
Feb 24 2012, 08:21 AM
Mountainrivers
Feb 24 2012, 06:37 AM
Banandangees
Feb 24 2012, 06:08 AM
Is the Jewish lobby the only lobby in Washington?

As far a I'm concerned, if we give no $favor to Israel a Democratic nation, then we should give no $favor to any nation in the middle east what-so-ever, for any reason, including any military, "humanitarian" efforts such as in Libya (people are getting worked up over the number of deaths in Syria now), financial aid of any kind to any of them.... just clear out altogether and let them kill themselves.

I have no problem with a Jewish lobby any different from any lobby, and there is no end to them. Leiberman has a "vote" as does any congressman or president. As time goes by, it appears that they all suck.
I would agree with that except for the Jewish lobby. They appear to have the power to involve us in a war that we have no interest in. The other lobbies don't seem to have that power. Why is that. Money, perhaps?
Libya involved us in a war. Israel has never asked us to go to war for them. Afghanistan, Iraq has us in a war. On the news tonight a lady was saying that something (the US and UN) should do something about the slaughter in Syria. The "we" would be mostly the US. What's going on in Afghanistan now, how we are trying to "help" the country toward some democracy and it took a burning of some Korans that prisoners were using for passing messages, that's all it takes to turn the whole nation against the effort. They live in the 10th century and anything we do won't change that. I don't know why we bother. China doesn't.

No aid for Israel, none for the rest. The Muslims are more of a threat to the west that is Israel. As Netanyahu said to our Congress, we don't ask you for your soldiers but we are grateful for the aid you have given us. How often does any Arab nation give thanks. They've recently burned churches and killed Christians in Egypt just because they were Christians. Not done in Israel.

If our Jewish population wants to lobby, I have no problem with it. It does not damage our nation any.
When we sell arms to the Arabs they pay cash. When we sell arms to Israel, we pay cash. Been there done that.
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Feb 24 2012, 08:50 AM
Banandangees
Feb 24 2012, 08:24 AM
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Feb 24 2012, 07:23 AM
I also see no evidence of "ownership", just a whole batch of FOX style innuendos.
Colo,

Now, there is one of the Left's pat answers when the right diagrees.
It's a pat answer because it's the truth. I could have declared it came from FOX, but I have no evidence so then I'd be doing the same thing the US Right does - guilt by innuendo.

Show one supported fact in that article that links those four people to "ownership".

Show us one reason why we should discuss our business with foreigners? Your opinion is meaningless, worthless and boring.
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I'm sure the pro Isreal lobby has a fair amount of clout. But, we have a lot of jews in the US who identify Isreal as their ancestral homeland. So, it's understandable. Of all the immigrant groups the jews stand out for their contributions to the country, and I don't think they should be villified.
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Who does America have more in common with, Israel or any Arab country?

What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?
What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?

And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind?
Edited by Banandangees, Feb 24 2012, 01:55 PM.
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Banandangees
Feb 24 2012, 01:52 PM
Who does America have more in common with, Israel or any Arab country?

What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?
What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?

And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind?
"What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Oil?

"What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Money?

"And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind? "

How would anyone know that?
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We have been in their pocket since shortly after the state of Israel was created. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Seems to me they are in our pocket.
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Mountainrivers
Feb 24 2012, 08:23 PM
Banandangees
Feb 24 2012, 01:52 PM
Who does America have more in common with, Israel or any Arab country?

What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?
What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?

And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind?
"What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Oil?

"What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Money?

"And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind? "

How would anyone know that?
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You forgot this question:

"Who does America have more in common with, Israel or any Arab country?"
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"What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Oil?

You're grasping. The oil was there beforel the Arabs. And besides, Brew and the Greenies surely wouldn't consider oil an accomplishment but rather a scourge.
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"What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Money?

Yes, but what would all those on welfare and the 50% who don't pay income tax do without money. But here are some other contributions by the Jews:

They have received the
following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M.. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996 - Lu RoseIacovino
TOTAL: 129!
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""And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind? "

How would anyone know that?

You're going to have to list the Arab contributions to the world in the last 100 years. But based on the above, I'd say that there is a really good chance that the Jews would add more beneficial contributions and accomplishments to the world... if they aren't wiped off the face of the earth or driven into the sea.
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Edited by Banandangees, Feb 24 2012, 09:05 PM.
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Feb 24 2012, 09:03 PM
Mountainrivers
Feb 24 2012, 08:23 PM
Banandangees
Feb 24 2012, 01:52 PM
Who does America have more in common with, Israel or any Arab country?

What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?
What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?

And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind?
"What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Oil?

"What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Money?

"And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind? "

How would anyone know that?
-----------------

You forgot this question:

"Who does America have more in common with, Israel or any Arab country?"
-----------------------


"What beneficial accomplishments have the Arabs brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Oil?

You're grasping. The oil was there beforel the Arabs. And besides, Brew and the Greenies surely wouldn't consider oil an accomplishment but rather a scourge.
----------------


"What beneficial accomplishments have the Jews brought to the world in the last 100 years that have improved life for mankind?"

Money?

Yes, but what would all those on welfare and the 50% who don't pay income tax do without money. But here are some other contributions by the Jews:

They have received the
following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M.. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996 - Lu RoseIacovino
TOTAL: 129!
-------------------------


""And based on those accomplishments, who would be more likely to bring additional accomplishments to the world in the next 100 years that may improve life for mankind? "

How would anyone know that?

You're going to have to list the Arab contributions to the world in the last 100 years. But based on the above, I'd say that there is a really good chance that the Jews would add more beneficial contributions and accomplishments to the world... if they aren't wiped off the face of the earth or driven into the sea.
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Ban, every time we talk about this, you get off some tangent that has nothing to do with what I say. I admire Jews, they are smart, inventive people. My argument is not with Jews, but with Zionists. If you want to discuss that part of Judism, then let's do it, but stop with the off-topic comments, please.
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