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| Are you comfortable with the fact that many U.S. Senators are owned by Israel?; Liberman should register as a foreign agent in my opinion. | |
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| Banandangees | Feb 24 2012, 06:08 AM Post #11 |
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Is the Jewish lobby the only lobby in Washington? As far a I'm concerned, if we give no $favor to Israel a Democratic nation, then we should give no $favor to any nation in the middle east what-so-ever, for any reason, including any military, "humanitarian" efforts such as in Libya (people are getting worked up over the number of deaths in Syria now), financial aid of any kind to any of them.... just clear out altogether and let them kill themselves. I have no problem with a Jewish lobby any different from any lobby, and there is no end to them. Leiberman has a "vote" as does any congressman or president. As time goes by, it appears that they all suck. |
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| Mountainrivers | Feb 24 2012, 06:37 AM Post #12 |
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I would agree with that except for the Jewish lobby. They appear to have the power to involve us in a war that we have no interest in. The other lobbies don't seem to have that power. Why is that. Money, perhaps? |
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| Pat | Feb 24 2012, 07:07 AM Post #13 |
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I think Colo is splitting hairs in this discussion. Questions my choice of words and figures of speech. I've noticed for years, with alarm I might add, the overboard influence Israel has on our congress and national policy. I think the main reason we stuck in Iraq so long was the intense pressure Senators like four I mentioned applied to the last two administrations. We then have the unsavory cases of Israeli spys in our midst. If you add up the amount in foreign aide we have sent to Israel, is is far out of line given the size of the country and population. And now, when you have U.S. senators demanding and advocating on behalf of what can only be described as unconstitutional legislation, it's gone too far. Lieberman in particular and you could make a good case of the other three senators, are nothing more than foreign agents in sheep clothing. |
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| colo_crawdad | Feb 24 2012, 07:21 AM Post #14 |
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No, Pat, I am hardly "splitting hairs." I do object to your choice to use a figure of speech asda rhetorical propaganda device. Is that clear enough for you? The very concept that any Senator or Representative that doesn't agree with you is therefore, "bought" and ought to "resign" bothers me. BTW, is it a common right wing tactic in a discussion to accuse those who have significant disagreements with them of "splitting hairs" or just "playing semantics games." Perhaps that propensity is limited to some right wingers on this forum. But, somehow, I doubt it. |
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| Brewster | Feb 24 2012, 07:23 AM Post #15 |
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I also see no evidence of "ownership", just a whole batch of FOX style innuendos.
Edited by Brewster, Feb 24 2012, 07:40 AM.
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| Jim Miller | Feb 24 2012, 08:00 AM Post #16 |
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Butt out, Brew. This isn't your business. Clean the window, please, peeper. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 24 2012, 08:21 AM Post #17 |
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Libya involved us in a war. Israel has never asked us to go to war for them. Afghanistan, Iraq has us in a war. On the news tonight a lady was saying that something (the US and UN) should do something about the slaughter in Syria. The "we" would be mostly the US. What's going on in Afghanistan now, how we are trying to "help" the country toward some democracy and it took a burning of some Korans that prisoners were using for passing messages, that's all it takes to turn the whole nation against the effort. They live in the 10th century and anything we do won't change that. I don't know why we bother. China doesn't. No aid for Israel, none for the rest. The Muslims are more of a threat to the west that is Israel. As Netanyahu said to our Congress, we don't ask you for your soldiers but we are grateful for the aid you have given us. How often does any Arab nation give thanks. They've recently burned churches and killed Christians in Egypt just because they were Christians. Not done in Israel. If our Jewish population wants to lobby, I have no problem with it. It does not damage our nation any. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 24 2012, 08:24 AM Post #18 |
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Colo, Now, there is one of the Left's pat answers when the right diagrees. |
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| Brewster | Feb 24 2012, 08:50 AM Post #19 |
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It's a pat answer because it's the truth. I could have declared it came from FOX, but I have no evidence so then I'd be doing the same thing the US Right does - guilt by innuendo. Show one supported fact in that article that links those four people to "ownership". Edited by Brewster, Feb 24 2012, 08:56 AM.
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| Chris | Feb 24 2012, 09:03 AM Post #20 |
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"It's a pat answer because it's the truth." It's an opinion. Jews, businesses, the rich...scapegoats. |
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