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MrsS, your opinion please - gree energy
Topic Started: Feb 23 2012, 09:54 PM (917 Views)
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Feb 24 2012, 12:43 AM
Apparently they've just "retired" one portion of their attempts at "green energy."

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One of the world's biggest green-energy public-policy experiments is coming to a bitter end in Germany, with important lessons for policymakers elsewhere........


It`s not the end of solar energy, it`s the end of subsidies for it.

From wikipedia:

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Effectiveness of the German Renewable Energy Act

Various studies, including EC's study reveal that because the feed-in tariff provides financial certainty, it is more cost effective and less bureaucratic than other support schemes such as investment or production tax credits, quota based renewable portfolio standards (RPS), and auction mechanisms.

The economic outcome of the EEG for Germany has been impressive. According to the Green Energy Act Alliance, 2011, the net benefit of the EEG exceeds the additional costs of initial investment - by 3.2 billion Euros. Building a safe and clean power supply incurs costs. However, Krewitt and Nitsch (2001) compared the external costs avoided in the German energy system to the compensation to be paid by grid operators for electricity from renewable energies and found that results clearly indicate that the reduced environmental impacts and related economic benefits outweigh by far the additional costs for the compensation of electricity from renewable energies.

In addition, the feed-in tariff generates more competition, more jobs and more rapid deployment for manufacturing, and does not pick technological winners, such as more mature wind power technology versus solar photovoltaics technology.
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A very important point, Mrs S.

All subsidies should be ended. Renewables will do just fine, in fact they're doing pretty well even with the huge subsidies that Fossil Fuels still get.
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"All subsidies should be ended."

Agreed. In fact, subsidies should be outlawed.

Whether this or that will do well in the free market, well, I don't have a crystal ball.
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What choices do we have?

Either sit and wait until Fossil Fuels dry out......or invest in renewable energies.

Nuclear power plants aren`t really the answer.... the waste sends out rays, plus the danger of Fukushima.
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Sensible.
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Not sure we have choices. It's not like we can decide, through a vote, or central planners, whether to use this resource or that alternative. We will decide of course, but more in the way we, society, decides everything, along lines of an emergent order out of millions of individual choices, a complex dynamic system, for example, the way we decided on the QWERTY keyboard, or to use Google instead of other search engines.

Want green, sell it to consumers.

Otherwise, careful what you wish for and try to force through political means.
Edited by Chris, Feb 24 2012, 02:24 AM.
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To me, "green" is not an ideology like wearing self-knitted sweaters and eating Tofu...it`s more the fact, that sooner or later we - mankind - have

to face the necessity that we need alternative resources if -in the long run - we want to stay on that planet.

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Tell the Spanish green is not an ideology.

Spain’s green jobs boondoggle

Spain's Green Disaster a Lesson for America
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What did that famous Indian Chief say? It goes somehow in the line of " You can`t eat money......"

Looking only at the financial aspect is shortsighted, imo.

Yet, there are good news too:


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. According to the Environment Ministry, overall investment in renewable energy production equipment more than doubled to €29.4 billion ($38.44 billion) in 2011. Solid growth in the sector is projected through the next decade.

Some 370,000 people in Germany now have jobs in the renewable sector, more than double the number in 2004, a point used as proof that tax payers' investment is paying off.



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My my Chris such a love and adoration for the oil robbers. I'll bet you are peeing in your pants over the latest round of gas prices.
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