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Taking Socialism Seriously
Topic Started: Feb 23 2012, 09:36 PM (668 Views)
Mountainrivers
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"Right, they wee caught in the Malthusian Trap, until industrialization, capitalism, science, technology etc broke us out."

Are you saying that individuals were solely responsible for those things?
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Brewster
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Sure MR, the railroads, coal, etc. never got any help.

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Chris
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Mountainrivers
Feb 24 2012, 12:56 AM
"Right, they wee caught in the Malthusian Trap, until industrialization, capitalism, science, technology etc broke us out."

Are you saying that individuals were solely responsible for those things?
The notion of individual liberty did not arise until the Enlightenment. Liberty prior to that was a social matter, iow, a people, a tribe, were free, or slaves. And while democracies arose, from early Greek times, they were not democracies as well envision them, but tribalistic. Man was rules by monarchies, or theocracies, and other forms of authoritarian government until a new individualistic experiment arose from the American Revolution, and then another basically tribalistic experiment failed from the French Revolution.

This difference between tribalism and individualism is not easy to wrap one's head around and I'm not good yet at explaining it.
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Feb 24 2012, 02:06 AM
Sure MR, the railroads, coal, etc. never got any help.

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Crony capitalism.
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I keep reading/hearing this idea that libertarians want everyone to be on their own, and read further here that if everyone was on their own there would be no time invent things. I infer from that that the person who said that thinks that libertarians want everyone to be growing their own food. Nothing is further from the truth.
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Chris
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Libertarians are great believers in the division of labor, given we're all different it's quite natural.
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