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| HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling government debt | |
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| Mountainrivers | Feb 24 2012, 05:16 AM Post #41 |
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You refer to your "rational" thought as if it's sacrosanct and nobody else's "rational" thought is valid. How do you know that I haven't explored the matter as much or more than you have? You have your interpretation of what the founding fathers intended and others disagree with that. "I still embrace and hold dear the traits of rugged individualism that I believe represents they meddle of our ancestors. There was certainly an amount of rugged individualism, but none of those people you refer to could done what they did alone. Why do you suppose the pioneers organized into wagon trains instead of just setting out on their own. Why didn't those folks who came here from Europe and other places, just build themselves a boat and use that to come over? "I still refuse to surrender Neal. And I still live a life of dreams." Well yes, we know you live in a dream world. Fantasyland, perhaps. "And I believe Neal, and don't consider myself closed minded, when I reject socialism and all attempts to co-opt the above in a plot, designed to instill socialism and it's attendant dependency.in it's stead. " No, that's paranoia and insanity. Nobody is suggesting Socialism, so that's a moot point. "Our government wasn't founded Neal, to guarantee the residents of this country a free ride. In fact Neal, the government exists for the very limited role I have noted" So say you, but I believe the founders had a much more active role for the government in mind than you do. "And I absolutely refuse to go along with this game." Well, no, you have to abide by the rules like everyone else. |
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| colo_crawdad | Feb 24 2012, 05:34 AM Post #42 |
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Pat, I have NEVER viewed any credible evidence that claimed that 50% of the "wage earners" in this country pay no Federal income tax. What you have posted in the past dealt with "households" and even that was questionable given the number of households that have no "wage earners" within because of retirement, etc. |
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| Chris | Feb 24 2012, 05:36 AM Post #43 |
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"You refer to your "rational" thought as if it's sacrosanct and nobody else's "rational" thought is valid." I don't see where he said or implied that. Being rational just means, rather than using emotion, you're using facts and logic, and expect others to as well. Being rational doesn't make one right, right wing, perhaps, lol, but not right. Actually being emotional doesn't mean you're wrong, left wing, perhaps, lolol, only that you haven't explained your point rationally. |
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| Stoney | Feb 24 2012, 06:10 AM Post #44 |
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"Lower middle class, who pay little or no income tax, pay much higher percent tax than the very rich." That's still not true. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 24 2012, 06:22 AM Post #45 |
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We know that those 49% who pay no income tax pay other taxes. And, I'm not saying income taxes shouldn't be raised. Everybody pays "other taxes," sales tax, gasoline tax, SS tax (if they have a jobe that requires it). But I believe that everybody should contibute something, even if it's $10.00, even those on welfare. Something for living in this great land, that our fair share of people died to keep great. Some. Nobody who's physically and mentally able to get out of bed should contribute something. Time and effort if nothing else. Just MHO. |
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| Stoney | Feb 24 2012, 06:27 AM Post #46 |
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The 49.5% need to pull their load. |
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| Mountainrivers | Feb 24 2012, 06:27 AM Post #47 |
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""You refer to your "rational" thought as if it's sacrosanct and nobody else's "rational" thought is valid." I don't see where he said or implied that." I didn't think you would. But, Pat doesn't even claim to use anything other than his wrong opinions based on nothing but his wrong opinions. |
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| Mountainrivers | Feb 24 2012, 06:31 AM Post #48 |
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Geesh, Ban, if every one of those households paid in $10 it would only amount to 500 million dollars. That would do the country no good and it would be a huge burden on people who have next to no income. I hear that argument on Fox fairly often, so I have to assume you get your argument from Fox. Why would you choose to punish people who have nothing. |
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| Brewster | Feb 24 2012, 07:37 AM Post #49 |
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Not only did you not answer the question in the manner I like, you didn't answer it at all. The question has nothing to do with socialism, or any other kind of "ism". I made no value judgements on who should pay what, or to whom. I simply asked why paying Income Tax is more painful than paying any other - Sales Tax for instance. And instead of an answer, I get accused of "Socialism". Let me ask a different question then: If "we should all share the burden of governance in the areas needing financial support", which I would agree with, why do you think it's OK that that any group should pay any smaller Payroll Tax percentage than any other? Why pick on Income Tax? None of them seem to be shared as you wish. Edited by Brewster, Feb 24 2012, 07:45 AM.
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| Banandangees | Feb 24 2012, 07:58 AM Post #50 |
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Okay, make it $100. It's something. Make's everyong feel that they've contributed part of their take in. |
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