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HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling government debt
Topic Started: Feb 23 2012, 08:51 PM (1,551 Views)
Pat
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Brewster
Feb 24 2012, 12:58 AM
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Feb 24 2012, 12:48 AM
OK Brew, I get tired of having to educate the left. Ask the question and I'll answer you.
Here we go again;

Pat, the right continues the idiotic meme that "50% of the population does not pay income Tax", implying that they're a bunch of deadbeats not paying their share. But in fact, as I have shown repeatedly, the poor and lower middle class, who seem to be the ones they're pointing to, actually pay a HIGHER percent of their income in taxes. They're just not paying Income Tax, which is only one of many.

So the question is, what difference does it make what tax you pay? How is paying Income Tax any more painful than any other tax? And why does paying payroll tax mean you're not contributing?
So you want to know what difference it makes? Let me use an analogy Brew. We all live on one side of a raging river. All the food and drinking water is on the opposite side of the river, and to get there, we have a special bridge. The bridge is strong, but not strong enough to carry us all their each way without some repairs needing done. So their is a toll booth that collect a dollar per person to fund the bridge upkeep. Are you following me?

Half way through the day, and with half the crowd safely on the other side, the bridge breaks down. The half that already crossed had paid their toll, but are now stuck on the other side. The half who have not crossed claim they can't afford to pay for the bridge crossing. They have a buck, but claim they shouldn't have to contribute any more.

The left can't understand why it is important that everybody keep that bridge repaired or we all suffer in the end. They believe the hlaf that crossed should carry the entire load of upkeeping the bridge, while the half who won't pay, get a free ride. It takes everybody Brew to share the burden. If you want to my opinion why this is important, then re-read my previous post.
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So in other words, you have no answer.

I ask you what makes Income Tax more painful than any other, and you give me a philosophical discussion about bridges.

All taxes are equally painful. And the poor and middle class pay a higher percentage of all other taxes than the rich. In fact, the total tax burden on the middle class relative to their income is almost double the others.

The rich are crossing the bridge almost for free.

The "50%" meme is just a talking point to prolong the war on the middle class.

Q. E. D.
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Feb 24 2012, 12:45 AM
After months of asking, still my question goes unanswered.

One might get the impression the Right has no answer. It's just a talking point.
Arguing from ignorance (you have me on ignore).
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Feb 24 2012, 12:52 AM
Pat: "If you are honest,"

Chris would label that "poisoning the well" if posted by one with whom he disagrees.
That's correct, if all Pat had done was say "If you are honest you will see you are wrong" but he went on 4 paragraphs presenting his argument. My impression is he just wanted reader to read with an open mind, but that's just a guess.
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"Pat, the right continues the idiotic meme that "50% of the population does not pay income Tax", implying that they're a bunch of deadbeats not paying their share. But in fact, as I have shown repeatedly, the poor and lower middle class, who seem to be the ones they're pointing to, actually pay a HIGHER percent of their income in taxes. They're just not paying Income Tax, which is only one of many."

"idiotic meme"

That's poisoning the well too. The problem with it is that's the assumption of the argument, which backs it up with another false assumption that "implying that they're a bunch of deadbeats not paying their share." Then it circles back to in conclusion to repeat the assumption as if proven. Circular reasoning is not logical at all.

Fact is "50% of the population does not pay income Tax" is true. Call that fact A.

Admittedly, it's not the only fact to consider. There is also the fact that some "pay a HIGHER percent of their income in taxes". Call that fact B.

OK, so we have facts A and B. One does not counter or negate the other. There just two statistical views of the data. Discussion should ensue.

Discussion should add the question of how much nominally each pays in taxes?

Discussion should add the question of how much does each one contribute to the generation of wealth?

And so on and so forth.

But the circular proof behind the well poisoning ends discussion. "So in other words, you have no answer.... Q. E. D."




Edited by Chris, Feb 24 2012, 01:57 AM.
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"All taxes are equally painful."

Perhaps subjectively to you, but each of us evaluates that subjectively differently and most don't try to speak for others.
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I gather Chris can't answer my simple question either.

Until someone can, the "50%" statement by itself is meaningless.

Repeating anything so easily proven irrelevant is idiotic.
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Feb 24 2012, 01:19 AM
So in other words, you have no answer.

I ask you what makes Income Tax more painful than any other, and you give me a philosophical discussion about bridges.

All taxes are equally painful. And the poor and middle class pay a higher percentage of all other taxes than the rich. In fact, the total tax burden on the middle class relative to their income is almost double the others.

The rich are crossing the bridge almost for free.

The "50%" meme is just a talking point to prolong the war on the middle class.

Q. E. D.
No, Brew, I gave you the answer but your liberal side won't accept it. There is nothing wrong with ignoring the truth in this matter, our own Congress and local governments have for decades. But the truth is what it is. :smile:
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Feb 24 2012, 02:02 AM
I gather Chris can't answer my simple question either.

Until someone can, the "50%" statement by itself is meaningless.

Repeating anything so easily proven irrelevant is idiotic.
And brewster epitomizes arguing from ignorance. You'd have to take me off ignore to know.
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Feb 24 2012, 02:22 AM
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Feb 24 2012, 01:19 AM
So in other words, you have no answer.

I ask you what makes Income Tax more painful than any other, and you give me a philosophical discussion about bridges.

All taxes are equally painful. And the poor and middle class pay a higher percentage of all other taxes than the rich. In fact, the total tax burden on the middle class relative to their income is almost double the others.

The rich are crossing the bridge almost for free.

The "50%" meme is just a talking point to prolong the war on the middle class.

Q. E. D.
No, Brew, I gave you the answer but your liberal side won't accept it. There is nothing wrong with ignoring the truth in this matter, our own Congress and local governments have for decades. But the truth is what it is. :smile:
Pat, you did not explain at all. The answer is not a liberal/conservative thing. And avoiding the question is not telling the truth.

Simple Question: How is paying Income Tax more painful than the others?

Until you can explain that, a tax is a tax, and the rich are avoiding their share.

(Actually, they are anyway, but we'll deal with than next.)
Edited by Brewster, Feb 24 2012, 02:35 AM.
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