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HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling government debt
Topic Started: Feb 23 2012, 08:51 PM (1,552 Views)
Jim Miller
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Why? I am over 65 and I still pay taxes.
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The figures include children, the retired and others who do not participate in the labour force.


Why would they include children? Perhaps to make it look worse than it already is?

No argument that americans don't pay enough federal income tax, particularly the wealthy.

We need to get our debt under control by cutting where we can and raising taxes.

Jim

Social security isn't taxed unless you have enough other income. You have to make about 100K for it to be full taxed.
Edited by tomdrobin, Feb 23 2012, 11:57 PM.
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If you are honest, and attempt to get your mind around this, how could you not come a a conclusion that the revenue apparatus is obsolete and incapable under current regulations to fairly get the job done? When I speak of fairness, why is it hard to accept that regardless of your station in life, you must contribute something. Why would we embrace a system that leaves so many people on the outside looking in? Maybe we should just junk the IRS and figure out some other way.

Take a look at the fact children are let off the hook. They can't be expected to contribute as toddlers, but certainly as they mature and take on some lawn jobs and babysitting jobs. There is not a good reason to give them a pass on contributing to the federal coffers. Hell their parents dump their needs on the rest of us, yet the current policy rewards parents with a deduction from 'their' taxes. Why are their deductions for having birthed children? We certainly have far too many people in the country as it is, and too many kids, so it seems at odds to reward breeding more with a tax break.

When you have millions left out of the process of funding the club, then they don't attend meetings, they don't participate in civic duties, they won't even for the most part, show up and give to community blood drives, cleanup projects, or other needed volunteer needs. Instead, they have their hands out. Think about it, it's the contributors who carry most of the rest of the load too. Those involved are facing even more demand for their services and contributions, while each year it seems, more Americans are rewarded with a free get out of jail card. Yesterday, in the mail was my Jury questioner. So off in the mail it goes today. I vote, I pay taxes, and contribute as a volunteer, I'm a registered voter, a property owner, and take the time as needed to sit on a jury. Most of those on the outside, are out of this system. Out of touch.

When the LA riots broke out, I was amazed that a community would literally burn down their own grocery stores, movie houses, hardware stores, clothing stores, gas stations, you know, all the infrastructure needed to live. Sociologists say they didn't feel a part of the community, had no vested interest, and therefore never considered the consequences for their actions. Those on the inside, the shop owners had somehow became their enemies. I'm telling you guys, this system is in bad need of a overhaul.

For Christs sake, pay your frigging share, pick up some litter when you see it laying on the sidewalk in front of you. Volunteer at school or somewhere. Just pay something into the kitty.
Edited by Pat, Feb 24 2012, 12:37 AM.
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Chris
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"Why would they include children?"

Because the chart says US population.

Yes, that's what it says:

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Brewster
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After months of asking, still my question goes unanswered.

One might get the impression the Right has no answer. It's just a talking point.
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Pat
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OK Brew, I get tired of having to educate the left. Ask the question and I'll answer you.
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Pat: "If you are honest,"

Chris would label that "poisoning the well" if posted by one with whom he disagrees.
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tomdrobin
Feb 23 2012, 11:55 PM
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The figures include children, the retired and others who do not participate in the labour force.


Why would they include children? Perhaps to make it look worse than it already is?

No argument that americans don't pay enough federal income tax, particularly the wealthy.

We need to get our debt under control by cutting where we can and raising taxes.

Jim

Social security isn't taxed unless you have enough other income. You have to make about 100K for it to be full taxed.
I was under the impression that it was half the "household" that don't pay income taxes.

The households of those who pay taxes also have children.

If it is "households," what does the number of children matter (in terms of taxpayers).
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Feb 24 2012, 12:48 AM
OK Brew, I get tired of having to educate the left. Ask the question and I'll answer you.
Here we go again;

Pat, the right continues the idiotic meme that "50% of the population does not pay income Tax", implying that they're a bunch of deadbeats not paying their share. But in fact, as I have shown repeatedly, the poor and lower middle class, who seem to be the ones they're pointing to, actually pay a HIGHER percent of their income in taxes. They're just not paying Income Tax, which is only one of many.

So the question is, what difference does it make what tax you pay? How is paying Income Tax any more painful than any other tax? And why does paying payroll tax mean you're not contributing?
Edited by Brewster, Feb 24 2012, 12:59 AM.
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colo_crawdad
Feb 24 2012, 12:52 AM
Pat: "If you are honest,"

Chris would label that "poisoning the well" if posted by one with whom he disagrees.
LOL, it was a figure of speech Colo. Chris would have seen the word Christ and figured that one out.
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