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| Chris | Feb 22 2012, 09:53 PM Post #1 |
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I'd agree with Paul we're slipping into Corporatocracy: Ron Paul Says US ‘Slipping Into Fascism’:
What Hayek warned about in The Road to Serfdom. Edited by Chris, Feb 22 2012, 09:53 PM.
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| tomdrobin | Feb 22 2012, 10:36 PM Post #2 |
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Authoritarian Rule? Last I checked we were still a democratic republic. The problems is not collussion between government and big business to subvert democracy. It is the wealthy including big business and wall street using their money via campaign financing to enfluence elections so their interests will be represented over that of the populace. The fix for that is not severely limiting government, it's campaign finance and lobbying reform. |
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| Chris | Feb 22 2012, 10:42 PM Post #3 |
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"Authoritarian Rule? Last I checked we were still a democratic republic...." "Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul slammed America's system of governance at a rally in Kansas City, saying businesses and government are pushing the country into twenty-first century fascism." |
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| tomdrobin | Feb 22 2012, 11:09 PM Post #4 |
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Obviously I don't agree. The proponents of this belief make it an argument for limited government. But, what about limited corporate and economic power? We have seen those excesses before. The argument that if you just get government out that everyone will just make nice nice is flawed and goes contrary to human nature. Economic Darwinism has some serious flaws. |
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| Chris | Feb 22 2012, 11:46 PM Post #5 |
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"Obviously I don't agree." Obviously all political/economic predictions are a matter of opinion, we'd have nothing to discuss otherwise. "The proponents of this belief make it an argument for limited government." As opposed to totalitarian statist government, yes. You aren't for that, are you, certainly. "But, what about limited corporate and economic power?" Corporations gets power in two ways: One, by political means, iow, through government via crony capitalism, and two, by economics means, iow, through consumer choice. "We have seen those excesses before." Of crony capitalism, yes. "The argument that if you just get government out that everyone will just make nice nice is flawed and goes contrary to human nature." Who argues that? Government (or governance with government) ought to protect people's right against harm by force or fraud, period. "Economic Darwinism has some serious flaws." As a misconception, as a misapplication of biological science onto the economics of human exchange, it is flawed through and through, I don't understand why you keep bringing that flawed concept up. |
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| Stoney | Feb 23 2012, 07:58 AM Post #6 |
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Corporatism is the child of the laws we call "regulation," enforced (or not) by regulatory agencies. The Wall Street crowd that some complain so much about are a result of government, left and right. The businesses seek their fortunes through favorable treatment by government and give those large political contributions in exchange for that favorable treatment. Now I agree that business is instrumental in encouraging this practice. But ist government that allows it. Without government regulatory agencies and laws it couldn't happen. Business are not comprised of angels. Yes, there would be problems without regulatory laws. But did you notice how many times the West Virginia mine was found unsafe and not closed? Did you notice how many times the BP oil rig that exploded was found not to meet standards and was not shut down? We say what would happen without government regulation but seem to forget it happens with government regulation. We look for perfect and see that potential in the police state, but forget the police aren't perfect. |
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| Pat | Feb 23 2012, 08:11 AM Post #7 |
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I agree with Paul however I would add to the mix any large influence seeking entity. Religious organizations, environmental organizations such as the Sierra Club, and large labor unions. Christianity for example, trying to co opt areas such as personal relationship contracts through government licensed marriage, personal freedom and individual rights through co-opting the ethics of medicine. Labor unions through workplace rules and interference with business management. Environmental activism which seeks to co-opt the management and harvesting of natural resources and energy. It could be argued that Corporatism in some ways is a defensive reaction to the three forces I listed. And all affect individual freedom. Edited by Pat, Feb 23 2012, 08:13 AM.
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| Chris | Feb 23 2012, 08:44 AM Post #8 |
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Right, it's not just business but anything from the individual to organization that rent seeks, iow, employs political means to ends. |
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