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By the time this Iran thing has hit the fan.....
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Topic Started: Feb 22 2012, 08:58 PM (1,468 Views)
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Mountainrivers
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Feb 24 2012, 05:19 AM
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- Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
I bought into the democracy spreading BS for a time as well. Won't be fooled twice though, so I don't buy the humanitarian reasons now sugar-coating war.
You're probably right about that. Too much money at stake to be spending on trivial things like humanitarian efforts. We need more oil.
As I understand it we don't need more, we have plenty. Keystone shale oil would be refined here but shipped elsewhere. Anyway, I don't buy the neocon arguments, not a just cause for war. From what I've been reading you are right that we have plenty of oil, but there isn't enough for the guys who make billions trading it. You could flood the country with oil and they'd still want to drill, drill, drill.
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Pat
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Feb 24 2012, 05:21 AM
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I remember watching the "Kudlow and Cramer" show just after the invasion. Kudlow announced that the results of the invasion would be 12 - 12- 12. Within 12 months we would be pumping 12 million barrels of Iraqi oil a day and oil would be selling for $12 a barrel.
Unfortuately the Iraqui's didn't know this and kept blowing the hell out of their oil pipe lines etc after we "freed" them. I remember those remarks too Ken. I also remember remarks from the Bush administration where the Iraq war would be paid for by Iraqi oil. I guess the Iraqi's either are refusing to pay up, or we forgot to bill them.
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Chris
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Feb 24 2012, 05:23 AM
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- Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
I bought into the democracy spreading BS for a time as well. Won't be fooled twice though, so I don't buy the humanitarian reasons now sugar-coating war.
You're probably right about that. Too much money at stake to be spending on trivial things like humanitarian efforts. We need more oil.
As I understand it we don't need more, we have plenty. Keystone shale oil would be refined here but shipped elsewhere. Anyway, I don't buy the neocon arguments, not a just cause for war.
From what I've been reading you are right that we have plenty of oil, but there isn't enough for the guys who make billions trading it. You could flood the country with oil and they'd still want to drill, drill, drill. Which would be a good thing because it would bring prices down, no?
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Mountainrivers
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Feb 24 2012, 05:30 AM
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- Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
I bought into the democracy spreading BS for a time as well. Won't be fooled twice though, so I don't buy the humanitarian reasons now sugar-coating war.
You're probably right about that. Too much money at stake to be spending on trivial things like humanitarian efforts. We need more oil.
As I understand it we don't need more, we have plenty. Keystone shale oil would be refined here but shipped elsewhere. Anyway, I don't buy the neocon arguments, not a just cause for war.
From what I've been reading you are right that we have plenty of oil, but there isn't enough for the guys who make billions trading it. You could flood the country with oil and they'd still want to drill, drill, drill.
Which would be a good thing because it would bring prices down, no? Apparently not, since we have an overabundance already.
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Chris
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Feb 24 2012, 05:32 AM
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I found something on why prices are going up, not...I'll post in a bit...
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