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By the time this Iran thing has hit the fan.....
Topic Started: Feb 22 2012, 08:58 PM (1,470 Views)
Chris
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Or poppy patch as in Afghanistan.
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I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
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Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
The neocon letters can be found and show they believed it was in our interests to use our military to force oil flowing in the free market. Invading Iraq was later sugar coated as spreading democracy--neocons are ex-liberals and ex-commies who have no interest in democracy.
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tomdrobin
Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
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Mountainrivers
Feb 22 2012, 11:04 PM
I've seen several righties on this board and others suggest that "we" should make a glass parking lot out of Iran. Ignorance abounds among some.
Not exactly. I said they should make a glass parking lot out of them Yes. OR, leave them alone. Either take a dump or get off the can. This sitting around and just hoping it won't pass running off at the mouth isn't doing one single thing but pissing off everyone.
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Tim from AL
Feb 23 2012, 09:52 PM
Mountainrivers
Feb 22 2012, 11:04 PM
I've seen several righties on this board and others suggest that "we" should make a glass parking lot out of Iran. Ignorance abounds among some.
Not exactly. I said they should make a glass parking lot out of them Yes. OR, leave them alone. Either take a dump or get off the can. This sitting around and just hoping it won't pass running off at the mouth isn't doing one single thing but pissing off everyone.
It's not that black and white, Tim. If you knew what those guys in the government know, you might be able to say that, but you don't.
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Mountainrivers
Feb 23 2012, 09:31 PM
tomdrobin
Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
I bought into the democracy spreading BS for a time as well. Won't be fooled twice though, so I don't buy the humanitarian reasons now sugar-coating war.
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Chris
Feb 23 2012, 10:27 PM
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Feb 23 2012, 09:31 PM
tomdrobin
Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
I bought into the democracy spreading BS for a time as well. Won't be fooled twice though, so I don't buy the humanitarian reasons now sugar-coating war.
You're probably right about that. Too much money at stake to be spending on trivial things like humanitarian efforts. We need more oil.
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And the CEOs need bigger bonuses.
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Mountainrivers
Feb 23 2012, 11:11 PM
Chris
Feb 23 2012, 10:27 PM
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Feb 23 2012, 09:31 PM
tomdrobin
Feb 23 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the main reason the neocons urged GW to evade Iraq and take out Sadam, was political. The hope was a functioning democracy in Iraq would be infectious. Perhaps we should have been more patient and waited for the "Arab Spring".
You bought into that crap, did you Tom?
I bought into the democracy spreading BS for a time as well. Won't be fooled twice though, so I don't buy the humanitarian reasons now sugar-coating war.
You're probably right about that. Too much money at stake to be spending on trivial things like humanitarian efforts. We need more oil.
As I understand it we don't need more, we have plenty. Keystone shale oil would be refined here but shipped elsewhere.

Anyway, I don't buy the neocon arguments, not a just cause for war.
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