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| What was the vision of our early presidents? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 21 2012, 09:35 AM (1,183 Views) | |
| Chris | Feb 21 2012, 09:35 AM Post #1 |
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President's Day at least remember what earlier one accomplished. What was the vision of our early presidents?
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| Thumper | Feb 21 2012, 09:43 AM Post #2 |
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Times have changed don't cha know. |
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| Chris | Feb 21 2012, 08:07 PM Post #3 |
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And so have presidents. Here's a comparison, WWGWD?
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| Thumper | Feb 21 2012, 08:53 PM Post #4 |
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Of course Presidents change. Thank God. otherwise we would still have slavery, militiamen and no Interstate Highway System. As much as some would like, we aren't going back to the good ole days. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 21 2012, 08:58 PM Post #5 |
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Times change but the good financial principles that Washington spoke of don't; thus, $15 trillion in debt and growing. What more proof do you need? |
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| Mountainrivers | Feb 21 2012, 09:08 PM Post #6 |
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"Barack Obama debases the currency. Rounds of quantitative easing—effectively defaulting on our creditors—fund spending sprees by creating hundreds of billions in new money that devalues the old money." You do understand that Obama didn't do that. The Federal Reserve did. "Barack Obama launched a war in Libya" He didn't launch the war. It wasn't even a war. The US simply participated in it. Blame the French and the English. "Barack Obama forces religious institutions to violate the tenets of their faiths by paying for abortifacients, contraceptives, and sterilizations." Did not. He backed away from that. "Barack Obama has used the military in Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and beyond—with calls for the administration to intervene in Syria and attack Iran. As U.S. commitments have expanded, the administration proposes a smaller defense budget." Whose calling for action in Syria and Iran. It's not Obama. Every president in recent history has used our military in various countries around the world. Obama is no different. |
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| Thumper | Feb 21 2012, 09:22 PM Post #7 |
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Ban, this country is exactly where it has chosen to go. Blame yourself as I blame myself. We are the Government. Can't blame Obama. H was elected by "us". Don't like Obama, vote him out, but you aren't going to do it with the current disgusting Republican lineup. Count on four more for Obama. I personally will vote for him because of one single issue. Health Care. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 21 2012, 09:54 PM Post #8 |
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I agree Thump. It's all of us, both parties, everyone. I'm am not blaming Obama. He's just one spoke. Everyone who has spent beyond there means is partly responsible. It's the mentality. I suppose it's the same mentality that put Greece in the position they are in... and Italy... and the EU in general. I think Washington's message is that everyone, including governments, have to pay attention to responsible financial principles on an ongoing basis. Can that be done? Apparently Canada thinks they have come around to doing it. Not without gripes mind you. |
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| tomdrobin | Feb 22 2012, 12:13 AM Post #9 |
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Limited government and laizes faire economics worked pretty well in the time period leading up to the industrial revolution. When you had primarily small business with the owner often working alongside his employees. The industrial revolution changed all that, suddenly people became just tools to use to make money, and their were terrible excesses. And, those who became extremely wealthy used that wealth to consolidate more wealth and power for themselves. The gilded age and the age of the robber barons was an era of great economic expansion for the country. But, the excesses of that era led to the progressive era where the prosperity was shared more equitably. Some would have us return to the freewheeling gilded age. I think it would be a mistake. |
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| Chris | Feb 22 2012, 08:44 AM Post #10 |
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Exactly. Things change, truth doesn't. |
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