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Attacks paid for by big business are 'driving science into a dark era'
Topic Started: Feb 20 2012, 10:41 PM (779 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Pat
Feb 20 2012, 11:44 PM
quote: "In coming years, we will have to ask ourselves if public policies should be based on the advice of experts who have carried out robust and rigorous analysis of the evidence, or if they should be guided by lobbyists who appear driven by narrow ideological dogma.[/b


Are not the scientists acting as lobbyists themselves? Why would they expect to go unchallenged, when many questions exist that confront their theories? How many times have we been told to avoid some common food stuff such as catsop, only to have scientists in the future debunk old theories?

I think the scientists in many cases behave like the classic Chicken Little character. They become global alarmists and then cry because their findings are challenged by other scientists. What was it that Harry Truman so famously state, "if you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen".

Plus let's consider some of the recommendations they bring forth. Oh, let's just disrupt the multi $trillions world economy, cease using the only viable energy sources available in large scale, oil, coal, and uranium and send several billion human beings to a shortened lifespan of starvation and death by the elements.

Boo Hoo, those who disagree with us are being mean to us. lol
"Oh, let's just disrupt the multi $trillions world economy, cease using the only viable energy sources available in large scale, oil, coal, and uranium and send several billion human beings to a shortened lifespan of starvation and death by the elements."

I haven't seen anyone advocating that, Pat. What I have seen is scientists, who one would think had more knowledge in their field than the average Joe, reporting their findings and having the deniers reject it out of hand. No one has suggested ceasing the use of fossil fuels in the short run. Advocates of climate change only suggest that we make an attempt to unburden ourselves of the effects of fossil fuels in the long run.
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Yup, Pat has drunk the Koch-a-Cola big time.

If the Billion$ that have been wasted on oil exploration and importing oil from people who don't like you very much, plus the even more Billion$ wasted digging up and shipping coal to poison people had been invested in renewables, odds are you'd be pretty much off fossil fuels by now, probably paying less for energy, and energy independent to boot.
Edited by Brewster, Feb 21 2012, 12:11 AM.
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Jim Miller
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And you liberals have been drinking at the fountain of Soros.
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Brewster
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Prove it, Jim.

Show one thing I have ever said on this topic that was wrong...

Oh, I forgot, you never do.
Edited by Brewster, Feb 21 2012, 12:11 AM.
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Jim Miller
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Oh Lordy! Pomposity at its best.
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Brewster
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Oh, you're not that pompous, Jim.
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Jim Miller
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On that we agree.
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Mountainrivers
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Feb 21 2012, 12:09 AM
And you liberals have been drinking at the fountain of Soros.
I don't have a clue what Soros stands for, nor do I put any credence in what he says. Making up stuff won't cut it.
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Jim Miller
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Then stop doing it!
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Pat
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In my opinion Brew, the scientists do not give enough leeway to natural fluctuations in nature when they come forth with their theories. And I can care less if you want to denigrate me and my opinions or compare me to Koch or leaning towards some conclusions by people who you claim are mouthpieces for Koch and big energy. I will never support hair brained opinions of scientists nor well intentioned theories, when they have chosen to use their titles to disrupt the world. Especially my country.

Have you ever bumped into a academic expert in your former career, and listen to their theories? lol. I have, Krugman is one of them. They are full of theorems and big headed opinions, but have no practical experience in the field they claim expertise in. Scientists in climate research expect us to accept tree rings and ice cores as evidence of doom and gloom, yet have only lab models to hitch their opinions to. The scientific community is always in a tizzy because other ideas and theories abound. And many except the concept that they don't know everything there is to know about the workings of the universe or planet.

You go right ahead Brew and Neal and mock me and others. I'm not surrendering my world over the anti capsop crowd.
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