| We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Chris Christie Vetos Gay Marriage Bill; Should it be left up to a vote of the people? | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 19 2012, 01:12 AM (1,597 Views) | |
| Chris | Feb 19 2012, 10:45 AM Post #41 |
![]()
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Thanks for the insult, thumper. |
![]() |
|
| Thumper | Feb 19 2012, 10:48 AM Post #42 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Your appreciation and gratitude is is to be commended. |
![]() |
|
| tomdrobin | Feb 19 2012, 12:26 PM Post #43 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Libertarians are for minimal government interference and taxation. How would that not benefit the Kochs and their enterprises? When you take power away from the government, which in our case is a representative government, it leaves a power vacuum that is filled by economic entities. They have the wealth to promote their interests. Come to think of it they have done a pretty good job using their wealth to promote their interests with the current system. It would be far worse with less government. |
![]() |
|
| Chris | Feb 19 2012, 12:55 PM Post #44 |
![]()
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
"Libertarians are for minimal government interference and taxation." That goes all the way back to classical liberalism, which libertarianism is a continuation of, while modern liberalism swung toward socialism. Much of what sparked the American Revolution had to do with overbearing government and taxation, just read the Declaration. "How would that not benefit the Kochs and their enterprises?" Actually, how would that not benefit everyone? "When you take power away from the government, which in our case is a representative government, it leaves a power vacuum that is filled by economic entities." No, it is returned to society where the power belongs. Or do you have an example of an economic entity able to coerce what it wants like government? "They have the wealth to promote their interests" is not an example. "Come to think of it they have done a pretty good job using their wealth to promote their interests with the current system." Indeed, some have,through political means, the government, it's called crony capitalism. But give us examples of economic entities gaining that power by economic means. |
![]() |
|
| tomdrobin | Feb 19 2012, 01:24 PM Post #45 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
http://www.academicamerican.com/recongildedage/index.html |
![]() |
|
| Thumper | Feb 19 2012, 01:34 PM Post #46 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
I grew up in Pittsburgh Penna. What was good for US Steel, Bethlehem Steel, Jones and Laughlin Steel and the supporting coal mines and coke plants was good for the country. They had free reign to screw up Western Penna royally leaving behind mountainous slag/slate piles and polluted streams and land. The stench from the steel operation was terrible, but business was good. Andrew Carnegie made big bucks. |
![]() |
|
| Banandangees | Feb 19 2012, 05:26 PM Post #47 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
It was vetoed. But Christie did say he didn't think 129 (or so men/women) should make that decision, that he prefered to have the "choice" put up to a ballet vote by the people of NJ in a "next" election. Now what could be more fair than that? I think ole "fat-ass" made a good decision. If I lived in NJ and that issue came up I'd say great. I'd vote yes for same sex marriage in a civil union. As I mentioned before, maybe they truly love each other. Who are they hurting, unless it's themselves over time? You know, marriage can be brutal. |
![]() |
|
| Banandangees | Feb 19 2012, 05:43 PM Post #48 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
So where was the steel going to come from back then to build our buildings, our ships, our cars, trucks, bridges and where was the heat energy going to come from back then to forge that steel? Windmills and solar panels? Pittsburgh and Scranton are clean areas today. We bitch about the down side of industry but we continue to enjoy and participate in the use of their products. We bitch about how they made their products and how those businesses grew but we don't sacrifice ourselves of any of the benefits, comforts and conveniences they bring. We continue to buy and drive our cars, appreciate that we can cross the Monongahela, Allegheny and Ohio rivers (I mean, how do you drive around the Ohio river). Maybe it's one of those "them-companies-are-big-and-we're-not" thingies. I'm sure we'd bitch if we didn't have the products and conveniences those industries bring. Now we bitch because much of those steel building jobs are gone .... overseas. Bitch, bitch, bitch. It's seems that's become the American way. How do we leave the world the way it was made? How many billion people are there now to feed off it? It will recycle itself in time or be destroyed in the over-all-scheme-of-things. These businesses are of no long term significance. The world in view of the cosmos is of no long term significance..... I suppose. Then again, maybe what we do as individuals however, is of significance.... to ourselves... long term. Edited by Banandangees, Feb 19 2012, 05:55 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| campingken | Feb 20 2012, 11:51 AM Post #49 |
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
Ban, The people don't get to decide on Constitutional rights. If they did Jim Crowe would still ve and well in the south. |
![]() |
|
| Banandangees | Feb 20 2012, 04:30 PM Post #50 |
|
Fire & Ice Senior Diplomat
![]() ![]() ![]()
|
True! But what Christie is saying is, to let the people of NJ (by ballot vote) tell the legislators how to legislate "on such an important issue,." Link
Brew wrote this (on first page): "It's amazing that the party that boasts that they are the defenders of personal freedom is also the party that wants to interfere in personal lives the most, on this topic and abortion, among others." What this Republican "fat ass" is saying is that before a few politicians make a decision that affects the "personal lives," rights and freedoms of all the citizens of New Jersey, let them hear from the people themselves in the form of a ballot.... let them hear from all people, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Blacks, Whites, Italians, Jews, Polish, Irish, the whole lot.... then let the legislators cast their votes in light of what the people want. Again, what can be more fair in representing all the people about an issue that affects their personal lives. Let the people decide what they feel is best for their "personal lives" on this issue, not the government. What better way is there for Christie to "defend the people's personal freedoms," on this issue of same-sex-marriage, than to let them decide for themselves, showing the legislators who represent them, the direction they wish for them to go? It's amazing that the party that boasts that they are the defenders of the poor and common folk, who complain that a few, such as big business, manipulates politicians and policy that affect the lives of the people would object to a Governor vetoing the decision made by a few and instead giving the people themselves the opportunity to decide for themselves on this important issue that affect their personal lives. Deception! Edited by Banandangees, Feb 20 2012, 05:07 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Fire And Ice General Discussion · Next Topic » |






![]](http://z3.ifrm.com/static/1/pip_r.png)




10:17 PM Jul 11
