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Mike.can You Give Thread Control To The Op; So if there is a thread we want to discuss, we can
Topic Started: Feb 19 2012, 12:01 AM (2,706 Views)
Chris
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Tim from AL
Feb 19 2012, 04:17 AM
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Feb 19 2012, 04:14 AM
That's what I thought you meant, Tim. Like I said, put together a discussion guide and I'll sign up.
No discussion guide is needed. Just use your judgement and stop calling names if you lose or win or think you have a larger meat pole that the rest.
I'll sign up for that as I don't think anyone wins or loses and don't call names. In my earlier incarnation here I got into name calling with the name callers and soon as you give into that everythinng goes to hell in a handbasket and everyone loses. When I came back I promised Mike I would not do that again.


Meat pole? Isn't that what you hang kills on? Or pigs, yeah, we used to have one on the farm for that.
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Feb 19 2012, 03:51 AM
Discussion and arguing are practically synonymous.

Agreed, but they don't mean exactly the same thing only similar.

Arguing is more like debating just less formal. In both these forms there is an attempt to prevail or score points wether officially or via ego rewarding.

With discussion there isn't a need to prevail, just an exchange of ideas, facts and beliefs.
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Feb 19 2012, 04:36 AM
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With discussion there isn't a need to prevail, just an exchange of ideas, facts and beliefs.
BINGO!
Edited by Tim from AL, Feb 19 2012, 04:38 AM.
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Tim from AL
Feb 19 2012, 04:37 AM
tomdrobin
Feb 19 2012, 04:36 AM
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With discussion there isn't a need to prevail, just an exchange of ideas, facts and beliefs.
BINGO!
DITTO!!
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Now some of us have agreed on not making things personal with name calling, insults and personal attacks, can we consider not taking things personal?

In another thread it's said "Socialist is an acceptable political social term. No disagreement there. But, when some uses it as a disparaging comment and it is not true (a lie), then they are fair game for the right wingnut/loonienutjob moniker."

How exactly is this motivation, to disparage, divined? It can't be. Saying someone is socialist because of what they say, like arguing class warfare, is simply classification. The disparagement is all in the taking it personally. Now of course if someone is called a no good m. f. s. o. b. socialist a., then it would be disparaging.

Discussion of politics etc can only happen if people neither make nor take things personal. Not saying it's always easy, but the effort has to be made if you're truly interested in such discussion.
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Attitude also is a player. Some provoke by coming across as a know it all with a superiority attitude and using babble as a smoke screen to cover their weak position.
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Feb 19 2012, 08:25 AM
Attitude also is a player. Some provoke by coming across as a know it all with a superiority attitude and using babble as a smoke screen to cover their weak position.
Given that you, thumper, have an attitude you can make any old thing up they please, I'd say you just described yourself.
Edited by Chris, Feb 19 2012, 10:49 AM.
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Tim from AL
Feb 19 2012, 12:01 AM
MIKE, IS THERE NOT SOME WAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT SO THAT THE PERSON WHO STARTS A THREAD CAN CONTROL AND KNOCK OUT ANYONE WHO STARTS THEIR ARGUMENTS?

I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE DISCUSSION THREADS AND REPOST THEM AND IF PEOPLE DON'T STOP ARGUING OR NAME CALLING, I CAN KNOCK THEIR BUTTS OUT SO THE REST OF US CAN HAVE A CIVILIZED DISCUSSION. IF I SEE A THREAD WITH A TOPIC I'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE, IT DOESN'T MATTER, AS BEFORE IT GETS A SINGLE PAGE, THERE WILL BE NAME CALLING AND GENERAL ANARCHY.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A DISCUSSION OR, AS I'D LIKE TO DO, TALK ON A THREAD WHERE I MIGHT ACTUALLY GET TO LEARN SOMETHING BESIDES THE FACT THAT EVERYONE'S BALLS ARE TINY OR THAT THEY'RE ALL LIARS AND CHEATS OR WHATEVER. PERSONALLY, I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU THINK SOMEONE HAS SMALL BALLS OR ONLY POSTS LIES. I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ARGUMENT ELSEWHERE SO I CAN DISCUSS AND LEARN AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL SUBJECT INSTEAD OF HAVING A PISSING CONTEST BETWEEN THE MORONS AND THE KNOW IT ALLS.

THANKS. LET ME KNOW, MIKE, IF YOU WOULD. THEN, I'LL TAKE THE THREADS WITH SUBJECTS THAT SOME OF US WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN WITHOUT THE CHILDREN COMING IN AND FIGHTING AND NAME CALLING AND JUNK AND HAVE AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH THE GROWN UP AND CIVILIZED PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO ANOTHER FORUM TO DO SO.
Tim,

I re-pinned a thread that some may have missed, I believe it is self explanitory.....http://s1.zetaboards.com/Fire_And_Ice/topic/4689667/1/#new

If the members are experiencing a problem with another member that is disrupting the flow of a thread, I suggest using the ignore feature combined with the PM function Tim. You could also politely inform the offending member in a post to please respect your thread and ask them to respect the discussion you have going on. The back and forth sideline chatter should diminish, if the problem you are having is handled respectfully and as an adult.

In my experience, the problems arise when the bait is taken and the back and forth chatter erupts. If the members would quit taking the bait of trolls, the childish behavior should I would think.. die from lack of attention. If you feed trolls, they continue to act out.

This issue Tim has been beat to death on this forum. I expect the members to use the tools available and their wit to handle these type of situations. Folks need to mind their manners here, I should not have to referee the discussion or behavior of mature, grown men and women.
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Feb 19 2012, 10:49 AM
Thumper
Feb 19 2012, 08:25 AM
Attitude also is a player. Some provoke by coming across as a know it all with a superiority attitude and using babble as a smoke screen to cover their weak position.
Given that you, thumper, have an attitude you can make any old thing up they please, I'd say you just described yourself.
A sharp tongue isn't necessarily indicative of a keen mind as you so eloquently prove.
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Feb 19 2012, 12:07 PM
Tim from AL
Feb 19 2012, 12:01 AM
MIKE, IS THERE NOT SOME WAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT SO THAT THE PERSON WHO STARTS A THREAD CAN CONTROL AND KNOCK OUT ANYONE WHO STARTS THEIR ARGUMENTS?

I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE DISCUSSION THREADS AND REPOST THEM AND IF PEOPLE DON'T STOP ARGUING OR NAME CALLING, I CAN KNOCK THEIR BUTTS OUT SO THE REST OF US CAN HAVE A CIVILIZED DISCUSSION. IF I SEE A THREAD WITH A TOPIC I'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE, IT DOESN'T MATTER, AS BEFORE IT GETS A SINGLE PAGE, THERE WILL BE NAME CALLING AND GENERAL ANARCHY.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A DISCUSSION OR, AS I'D LIKE TO DO, TALK ON A THREAD WHERE I MIGHT ACTUALLY GET TO LEARN SOMETHING BESIDES THE FACT THAT EVERYONE'S BALLS ARE TINY OR THAT THEY'RE ALL LIARS AND CHEATS OR WHATEVER. PERSONALLY, I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU THINK SOMEONE HAS SMALL BALLS OR ONLY POSTS LIES. I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ARGUMENT ELSEWHERE SO I CAN DISCUSS AND LEARN AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL SUBJECT INSTEAD OF HAVING A PISSING CONTEST BETWEEN THE MORONS AND THE KNOW IT ALLS.

THANKS. LET ME KNOW, MIKE, IF YOU WOULD. THEN, I'LL TAKE THE THREADS WITH SUBJECTS THAT SOME OF US WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN WITHOUT THE CHILDREN COMING IN AND FIGHTING AND NAME CALLING AND JUNK AND HAVE AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION WITH THE GROWN UP AND CIVILIZED PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO ANOTHER FORUM TO DO SO.
Tim,

I re-pinned a thread that some may have missed, I believe it is self explanitory.....http://s1.zetaboards.com/Fire_And_Ice/topic/4689667/1/#new

If the members are experiencing a problem with another member that is disrupting the flow of a thread, I suggest using the ignore feature combined with the PM function Tim. You could also politely inform the offending member in a post to please respect your thread and ask them to respect the discussion you have going on. The back and forth sideline chatter should diminish, if the problem you are having is handled respectfully and as an adult.

In my experience, the problems arise when the bait is taken and the back and forth chatter erupts. If the members would quit taking the bait of trolls, the childish behavior should I would think.. die from lack of attention. If you feed trolls, they continue to act out.

This issue Tim has been beat to death on this forum. I expect the members to use the tools available and their wit to handle these type of situations. Folks need to mind their manners here, I should not have to referee the discussion or behavior of mature, grown men and women.
I'll try to stop taking the bait. They really only hoist their own petard in the long run. I don't think ignoring it, or putting someone on ignore is a solution.
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