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Europe's Supply-Side Revolution; It's working for Germany
Topic Started: Feb 18 2012, 11:28 PM (3,046 Views)
Banandangees
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Feb 19 2012, 05:58 AM
I think Germany recognizes that in order to have its population act responsibly it has to appear fair across all income groups with regards to taxation & delivery of social services. people are seldom apt to rebel, even against harsh policies, if they feel everyone is sharing the pain. That is the problem in Greece, the working stiff is being asked to make most of the sacrifices.
Yes, a balance between fiscal and social policies that doesn't abuse either.

Pain! But isn't it the "liberal" EU who are making the conditions of "bailout."
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What I don't understand is the support on this forum by the very Canadians who recognize the value in Martin's efforts yet seem to favor Obama's "lenient" fiscal policies over trying something else.

Like banning birth control? Gay marriages? Unions?

Continuing tax cuts for the rich? Refusing to consider infrastructure and education expenditures which would benefit everyone in the country, including industry? Eliminating regulations which keep your country a clean and healthy place to live? Destroying SS and Health Care?

Neither Martin nor Harper tried anything like that. And those are the things that Canadians look at and say, Go Obama!

No doubt the US needs to work toward a balanced budget, with some tax increases and some cuts in spending, but not on the backs of the poor and middle class alone.

I think I have seen you say that you would support a more balanced approach, with taxes restructured to be more fair, and some reasonable tightening of expenses. If the Republicans presented a budget that was anywhere near that, you might find some Canadians in favour of a change.

Edited by Brewster, Feb 19 2012, 06:29 AM.
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MrsS "I agree, if you say irresponsible government.....and I`d be surprised, if a different political leaning had made a difference."

On that I agree 100%.
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Feb 19 2012, 06:25 AM
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What I don't understand is the support on this forum by the very Canadians who recognize the value in Martin's efforts yet seem to favor Obama's "lenient" fiscal policies over trying something else.

Like banning birth control? Gay marriages? Unions?

Continuing tax cuts for the rich? Refusing to consider infrastructure and education expenditures which would benefit everyone in the country, including industry? Eliminating regulations which keep your country a clean and healthy place to live? Destroying SS and Health Care?

Neither Martin nor Harper tried anything like that. And those are the things that Canadians look at and say, Go Obama!

No doubt the US needs to work toward a balanced budget, with some tax increases and some cuts in spending, but not on the backs of the poor and middle class alone.

I think I have seen you say that you would support a more balanced approach, with taxes restructured to be more fair, and some reasonable tightening of expenses. If the Republicans presented a budget that was anywhere near that, you might find some Canadians in favour of a change.

It would be interesting if someone asked brewster who fits his liberal talking points--he has me on ignore. Just who is the bogeyman he's invented in his mind?
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Feb 19 2012, 06:25 AM
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What I don't understand is the support on this forum by the very Canadians who recognize the value in Martin's efforts yet seem to favor Obama's "lenient" fiscal policies over trying something else.

Like banning birth control? Gay marriages? Unions?

Continuing tax cuts for the rich? (but with no federal income tax for 50% of families) Refusing to consider infrastructure and education expenditures which would benefit everyone in the country, including industry? (money for education has been thrown at "the problem" for dedades by both parties and still it hasn't solved the problems)) Eliminating regulations which keep your country a clean and healthy place to live? (as compared to the oil sands area of Canada??) Destroying SS and Health Care? (they are destroyed??)

Neither Martin nor Harper tried anything like that. (but they did cut spending) And those are the things that Canadians look at and say, Go Obama! obviously that makes sense to you and you believe that will help the US in a way that won't affect Canada as you worry about?)

No doubt the US needs to work toward a balanced budget, with some tax increases and some cuts in spending, but not on the backs of the poor and middle class alone.

I think I have seen you say that you would support a more balanced approach, with taxes restructrued to be more fair, and some reasonable tightening of expenses. If the Republicans presented a budget that was anywhere near that, you might find some Canadians in favour of a change. but Obama has not put forth any indication that he would use increased taxes and cut spending. The impression is that he would just spend more.... which wouldn't bother the trough feeders, but not solve the problem. If Obama doesn't make it work (if reelected) and it affects Canada, who are you going to blame?

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but with no federal income tax for 50% of families

Ban, we both know that's a red herring.

Study after study has shown that the US middle class pays almost double the percent tax that the rich do, and the richest pay less than all but the very poorest.

Unless you can explain to me how $1000 paid to federal income tax is much more painful than $1000 in payroll, state and sales taxes, the "50% don't payincome tax" meme is meaningless.
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Feb 19 2012, 06:43 AM
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but with no federal income tax for 50% of families

Ban, we both know that's a red herring.

Study after study has shown that the US middle class pays almost double the percent tax that the rich do, and the richest pay less than all but the very poorest.

Unless you can explain to me how $1000 paid to federal income tax is much more painful than $1000 in payroll, state and sales taxes, the "50% don't payincome tax" meme is meaningless.
not talking about the middle tax. Last few years I've been lower middle class in terms of income and have paid little in federal income tax. Even Sea said something to the affect of "how does a nation get away with only 50% of it's population paying federal income tax?" WE all know that our taxing needs total revamping, and I don't think any repubican is objecting to that. The politicians never get around to it.
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I'm not sure how are taxes are any business of the Canadians unless they want to take a bigger bite out of it.
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Feb 19 2012, 06:48 AM
Brewster
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but with no federal income tax for 50% of families

Ban, we both know that's a red herring.

Study after study has shown that the US middle class pays almost double the percent tax that the rich do, and the richest pay less than all but the very poorest.

Unless you can explain to me how $1000 paid to federal income tax is much more painful than $1000 in payroll, state and sales taxes, the "50% don't pay income tax" meme is meaningless.
not talking about the middle tax. Last few years I've been lower middle class in terms of income and have paid little in federal income tax. Even Sea said something to the affect of "how does a nation get away with only 50% of it's population paying federal income tax?" WE all know that our taxing needs total revamping, and I don't think any repubican is objecting to that. The politicians never get around to it.
When the Reps do Ban, I for one will be happy to reconsider my support fo Obama.

Athough it's still going to be difficult to consider any of the present Rep candidates because of the social issues I also mentioned.
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Why would anyone care about who a foreign interloper would support?
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