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Caterpillar Strikes Deal to Build Georgia Plant
Topic Started: Feb 18 2012, 08:31 PM (1,542 Views)
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Feb 18 2012, 11:49 PM
Brewster
Feb 18 2012, 11:45 PM
Paul, while I'm aware that unions can go overboard, as they did occasionally at TELUS, I am also very aware of their benefits, and would never advocate an anti-union policy, which would be one more weapon in the war on the middle class.
I was wondering when socialist class warfare would enter this discussion.
:bounce: Ah HA, there it is. "Socialist Class Warfare". In other words "I am losin doglaugh g the argument"
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That is why I am not going to argue this point with Chris beyond this. I've made my point, no need to expand on it further. Thanks for the wake up call, Al.
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http://blog.machinecontrolonline.com/?p=723

World's Top Ten Heavy Equipment Manufacturers

Growing competition. China has put three companies in the top ten this year compared to one last year (Catepillar has to compete with their low labor costs.

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Caterpillar remains firm and unchanged from last year at number 1
-Komatsu and Hitachi remain unchanged and number 2 and 3 respectively
-Volvo moved up one position from 5th in 2009 to 4th in 2010
-Three Chinese manufacturers sit in the top 10 compared to last years one. These companies are Sany, Zoomlion and XCMG
-2009 was a down year due to the global economy with a whopping 40% increase to 2010. This is somewhat inflated due to the drop off, but notable recovery, nonetheless
-2010 was the second highest record gross sales at $152B compared to 2008's $168B. Still a strong sign of recovery
-Doosan sits at number 6 in 2010 up from 15th position in 2009 affirming the Asian markets rebound


Catepillar is not in a closed economy. It is in a global economy. We're probably fortunate that they don't move out of the U.S. and Canada altogether looking for lower labor costs.
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I will note that it's Chris who brought up the "socialist" part, and now I'm also going to take Al's advice.
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Tim from AL
Feb 18 2012, 11:53 PM
Oh, brother. Another discussion thread...ruined by the children fighting over their ball and wagon. You just cannot have a discussion anymore here. I have a dentist who pulls teeth easier, even without anesthesia, and it goes better than this.
To me the problem comes when people run out of things to discuss, or become frustrated, thinking they are right and winning, why doesn't he get that, then they abandon logical thinking and break off discussion with insults.
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Thumper
Feb 18 2012, 11:58 PM
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Feb 18 2012, 11:49 PM
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Feb 18 2012, 11:45 PM
Paul, while I'm aware that unions can go overboard, as they did occasionally at TELUS, I am also very aware of their benefits, and would never advocate an anti-union policy, which would be one more weapon in the war on the middle class.
I was wondering when socialist class warfare would enter this discussion.
:bounce: Ah HA, there it is. "Socialist Class Warfare". In other words "I am losin doglaugh g the argument"
Why are you trying to make things up and put words in my mouth, thumper?

Brewster brought up class warfare, I pointed it out, that's all.
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Catepillar is not in a closed economy. It is in a global economy. We're probably fortunate that they don't move out of the U.S. and Canada altogether looking for lower labor costs.


therein lies a large part of the problem. Both Canada & the US need to jack up tarrifs on goods imported that are manufactured overseas by both foreign & North American companies operating offshore. That would go a long way to encouraging them to keep jobs at home. The Chinese have no problem with the reverse.
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Feb 19 2012, 12:04 AM
I will note that it's Chris who brought up the "socialist" part, and now I'm also going to take Al's advice.
Yes, I did. What you said was said from a socialist point of view.
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Feb 19 2012, 12:14 AM
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Catepillar is not in a closed economy. It is in a global economy. We're probably fortunate that they don't move out of the U.S. and Canada altogether looking for lower labor costs.


therein lies a large part of the problem. Both Canada & the US need to jack up tarrifs on goods imported that are manufactured overseas by both foreign & North American companies operating offshore. That would go a long way to encouraging them to keep jobs at home. The Chinese have no problem with the reverse.
Rather, therein lies the solution, not the problem.

Tariffs and other protectionist schemes only harm the citizens they pretend to protect by jacking up prices.

The solution would be to make a nation a haven for business by lowering if not removing corporate taxes that chase business away.
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You're quite correct, Telco.

I also think the corporate tax structure should be changed so that companies offshoring manufacturing and then shipping the finished product back be taxed as if they never left.
Edited by Brewster, Feb 19 2012, 12:42 AM.
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