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| Chris | Feb 18 2012, 11:07 AM Post #21 |
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What's funny, come to think of it, is this is the lie that jack bought into. Go back, I was not asking jack about his politics, he has me on ignore, it was hank who was making statements about the differences between jack and other Canadians. Brewster who also has me on ignore simply made up a lie. And caught jack in his trap. |
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| Jim Miller | Feb 18 2012, 08:14 PM Post #22 |
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That's the Canadians for ya. |
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| Sea Dog | Feb 18 2012, 09:38 PM Post #23 |
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Thank you Jack, for a well presented overview of the differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada. |
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| Chris | Feb 18 2012, 10:31 PM Post #24 |
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In government, yes, but I believe you commented on politics, hank. Let's hear about that. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 18 2012, 11:02 PM Post #25 |
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Even as a Canadian, the differences between Quebecers and other Canadians has not hit home until I started to RV in Mexico where there are a lot of French Canadians It is a strange thing actually. French Canadians are in some ways unpopular down here through no fault of their own. The problem is, those from the Eastern Townships cannot speak English. In Mexico you cannot get by if you speak no Spanish or no English. Many here can speak some English, virtually no one can speak French. That means that caravans are very popular. I know of 5 in circuit at the present time. In fact I am working with one of them to try to get my Mexican RV sites translated into French. The owner can speak English and he was employed in the same field as me. Unfortunately in his case it was Nortel and he took a major pension hit. I am trying to help promote his business in exchange. Where the issue comes in, is that a caravan eats up a large portion of a campground. That upsets regulars. It is also bad for business as a caravan may fill a campground for even up to 2 months, but when they leave, the regulars do not come back, so the campground loses in the long run, as the season is about 5 months. In this particular one which has been 100% full for the last 2 months there is one 4 unit Quebec caravan. He tried to reserve 10 for next year & was turned down, as the owner realizes it is not in his long term interest. From the other campers point of view there is a social problem as those in caravans tend to form little islands and do not socialize outside those islands. That is because there is no common language. This makes them appear snobbish and other campers resent them as a result. All this does is cement the perception of Quebecers that the rest of Canada does not like them. Canadians probably understand this more than Americans in an RV park, but I do hear some pretty derogatory comments form Canadians as well. Social interaction between RV'ers is much more pronounced in Mexico than is the case in the US & Canada. That is much of its appeal. In defense of French Canadians I have to say that you are far more likely to find a French Canadian who can speak English than an English Canadian who can speak French. Blame the education system for that. I grew up in small town BC and the only teacher they could find to teach French could not speak it himself. We learned out of books. That is changing as French immersion elementary schools are proliferating. They have waiting lists, as parents realize French is a ticket to a government job. We have our 4 year old granddaughter in school here in Mexico for 2 months & will have for the next 3 years. We intend she learn Spanish, even after one week she is jabbering in it. We also have her on the waiting list for French immersion once she starts school in 3 years. Her grandfather was French Canadian so she has a better chance. If she is fluent in Spanish by then, French should come easy. That will give her 3 languages to market in the job market. Since she is also status Indian, affirmative action, will give her a huge advantage, we hope. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 18 2012, 11:13 PM Post #26 |
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Chris, if you really want to understand Quebec politics look for a copy of " The history of Quebec, a Patriotes handbook? by Leandre Bergeron. It is rather radical, even Marxist, but it gives non Quebecers a very good picture of why Quebec is as it is and the causes of the separatist movement in that province. It is a very interesting read. Unfortunately it is out of print, but larger libraries may have it. |
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| Chris | Feb 18 2012, 11:41 PM Post #27 |
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Telco, I'm referring to a discussion between hank and I earlier in this thread. Hank "Jack, perhaps you should explain to our American friends how your feelings as a Quebecois may differ from those of Canadians in other provinces." me "Jack seems as liberal if not socialist as Brewster, so what is this difference, Hank?" Hank "I do not wish to speak for Jack. Suffice to say that many residents of Quebec view politics and the Monarchy differently than do most other Canadians." me "In what way? A general summary, 25 words should suffice. Just curious." |
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| jackd | Feb 18 2012, 11:43 PM Post #28 |
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Telco,
I have that book somewhere in my bookcases. Bergeron's book is rather extreme in his descriptions and positionings. You need to remember that Bergeron was part of that extreme radical group. He also became associated with the group publishing for the extreme-leftist FLQ (terrorists) organization that blew bombs in Montreal. He once was a member of the Socialist Party of Quebec (who never succeeded in electing a single member)All this to say that Bergeron is partly right is some of his descriptions, sometime sarcastic in his writing, extreme in his position (part socialistic polemic and part potted history) Many historians and sociologists do not agree with a lot of what he said. He did represented a very small part of Quebec thinks groups in the '70's Edited by jackd, Feb 18 2012, 11:48 PM.
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2012, 12:10 AM Post #29 |
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Yes, he was radical, that is why I made the Marxist comment. However he does explain a lot of the conditions of French Canadians esp prior to WW2 that the vast majority of English Canada is unaware of. Things like discrimination in employment, etc. |
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