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| States rights----the reason Obamacare is dead in the water | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 18 2011, 02:05 AM (129 Views) | |
| Pat | Nov 18 2011, 02:05 AM Post #1 |
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http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/11/15/the-states-have-de-facto-control-over-the-general-government-states-may-nullify-u-s-supreme-court-ruling-on-obamacare/ With more than half of the 50 states opposing the law and some states passing legislation of their own to prevent it's coming on line within the jurisdiction of the states, this law is dead. Visit the link above and you might gain some insight behind the real battle that lies ahead for the federal government. Edited by Pat, Nov 18 2011, 02:18 AM.
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| tomdrobin | Nov 18 2011, 02:13 AM Post #2 |
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Our right wing attorney general has joined in the suit. Can't say he represents all the people though. Our Republican governor has called for setting up the exchanges. He said even if they weren't mandated it would be a good idea. He is a rare bird, a moderate republican. He is the wealthy ex Gateway exec, and not beholden to the Tea Party nuts and their financiers. |
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| Pat | Nov 18 2011, 02:27 AM Post #3 |
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If you guys in Michigan want to endorse and embrace Obamacare in some form, that's your business. There are sister states that will not, and therefore a standoff exists. The problem Tom is many fold but let's use immigration enforcement as an example here. The federal government claims they have the sole jurisdiction of immigration law. But they refuse to pay the states when the lack of or refusal of enforcement puts a strain on state and local finances. Setting aside the constitutional arguments Tom, Obamacare is an even greater threat to state and local finances. There are enough funding holes in the law, that a fleet of semi trucks side by side can drive through it. And all of the those holes will be passed onto already financially impaired state and local finances. As much as the left loves socialized medicine Tom, and embrace the federal government as a means of feeding their insatiable desire for government interference in their lives, somebody has to pay for all of this. There is no state conspiracy here to oppose Obama and his law. What you have is intelligent people at the local and state level having reviewed the law and determined it is unworkable and too expensive. |
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| tomdrobin | Nov 18 2011, 02:38 AM Post #4 |
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Everyone knew the Affordable Health Care Act (aka Obamacare) was not perfect, and adjustments would need to be made. That's one of the reasons it was being implemented slowly and phased in. Too just dump it and go back to the expensive, inefficient mess we now have that works for only some of the people is throwing the baby out with the bath water. I'm sure it's what the health care execs would like, they want to preserve their feeding at the health care trough. Like most issues these days, it would seem the right is more concerned about preserving the wealth of a few, than promoting the general welfare of the majority. It's too bad it has been so propogandized, that people who would benefit have been convinced it won't. Just part of the continual koch-sham exploiting peoples biases that has been perpetrated on the american people. Eventually people will wake up, if they finally succeed in screwing us on medicare enacting the Ryan proposals or similar. Let's hope people wise up before that happens. |
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| Pat | Nov 18 2011, 02:48 AM Post #5 |
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I've read similar posts Tom as the healthcare debate has devolved into a series of attacks against the wealthy, but the arguments have all failed to address the two overriding factors. . 1. When a light of truth is shown on the law, the government exaggerated on the savings end of things and under reported on the cost to implement the law. 2. There has been an overwhelming lack of public support for the law, and especially in some of the individual states. Some states have citizens that I guess welcome further intrusion into their affairs. Others don't and in fact object vehemently on this attack on states rights. Tell me Tom how the state of Michigan can afford to implement the law? Detroit is near bankruptcy and so are some surrounding cities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/detroit-mayor-concessions_n_1098547.html |
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| tomdrobin | Nov 18 2011, 03:22 AM Post #6 |
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The opposition to Obamacare on the state level claiming it will be serious drain on state budgets is politically driven. How would have guessed? It reminds me of the death panels, the birther issue, and the plethora of other right wing propoganda financed by the likes of the Kochs and funneled throught their propoganda outlets like Heritage Foundation and Cato, for consumption by their flock of "true believers".
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2010/May/26/Kaiser-Medicaid.aspx |
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| Pat | Nov 18 2011, 03:48 AM Post #7 |
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Did you notice Tom, the increases in spending this law places on the states? Do you understand that the states are broke and do not have the revenue to pay for added medicaid expenses? This takes us right back to my earlier post. Can you answer a simple question for me. If the law has been shown to not have the savings or the revenue to pay for all the promises, then where is the money going to come from for the federal government to pick up all that they claimed they would? Remeber, the article from 2010 you posted, was prior to the gaps in savings and revenue that have been shown the light of day. |
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It reminds me of the death panels, the birther issue, and the plethora of other right wing propoganda financed by the likes of the Kochs and funneled throught their propoganda outlets like Heritage Foundation and Cato, for consumption by their flock of "true believers".
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