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| Supreme Court to hear case over healthcare overhaul; Do you beleive the court sides with liberty or the government? | |
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| Deleted User | Nov 15 2011, 11:53 PM Post #31 |
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so you piad for your health insurance? Every penny. Wow delusional |
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| Thumper | Nov 15 2011, 11:57 PM Post #32 |
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Miller used cheap Chinese parts for his many joint rebuilds. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 16 2011, 12:03 AM Post #33 |
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| campingken | Nov 16 2011, 03:21 AM Post #34 |
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Gee Chris if you, a liberty expert, say that I am wrong then turn out the lights the discussion is over. However I suspect that a whole lot of young men would rather pay for health care then get forced in semi slave labor (forced but paid). I don't see the difference as the draft, jury duty, and health care are all decisions made by the govt, not the individual and I also don't care what some dead guy wrote about liberty vs freedom. |
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| campingken | Nov 16 2011, 03:23 AM Post #35 |
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BS alert!!! Jim only has private insurance only because he was a union member. He has used more money than he paid into medicare. |
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| ImaHeadaU | Nov 16 2011, 03:50 AM Post #36 |
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I believe the court will side with the Constitution. |
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| Pat | Nov 16 2011, 04:58 AM Post #37 |
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To answer your question Ken, being free and embracing liberty does not also mean I'm stupid or unwilling to support some institutions that I deem worthy and aligned with maintaining me freedom and liberty in an unjust and dangerous world. I own and stay proficient in operating and handling guns, because I'm responsible for my safety, but that of my wife and any grandkids that happen to be staying with us from time to time. I don't need a law to understand that helping out a cop also helps maintain the peace and tranquility of my neighborhood. I don't need a draft to understand that I need to give back to my country and help defend the constitution against those that would attack and possibly take away from my freedom and liberty. These are all actions i believe help in providing me a base from which to live my life as I choose. I watch what i eat, listen to my doctors, and put in the hours and effort while younger so that I could have the means pay for family needs as my aging necessitated I take it easy. My health insurance and how we live and what I consume is nobodies business but my own, and my families to some extent. And how those outside my family have dealt with these same issues are none of my business. If I feel somebody was down and out due to circumstances outside their control, I help out. I guess i kind of get annoyed when I read comments that suggest I'm greedy or uncaring. That somehow my love of freedom and liberty are unAmerican. Or that I should jump on board programs or back legislation that attaches some responsibility on me for the failings of others. This mandated healthcare law infringes on my freedom, and quite frankly is insulting to me and should be insulting to all. We live in a country where you are free to run your health down or not. To gather acorns for the future or not. To take care of business in the classroom or homestudy or not. To live near jobs or not. To self administer, use alternative healthcare or not. Free people who support liberty and freedom and understand and embrace self responsibility, understand these principles I live by. And others are free to ignore them to their own peril. Like I say, it's really none of my business how others live their lives, and none of their business how I do the same. And I doubt the high court will infringe further on my freedom by finding for Obamacare and against freedom and liberty. If they do find for the government, then it won't affect me anyway, but I think it will be one more nail in the coffin of this great experiment we call the United States. Edited by Pat, Nov 16 2011, 05:03 AM.
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| Chris | Nov 16 2011, 06:00 AM Post #38 |
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Ken, sorry to make you feel so bad. "a whole lot of young men would rather pay for health care" The topic is Obamacare where what people would rather do is irrelevant. "get forced in semi slave labor (forced but paid)" Not sure what fantasy would you're talking about. "I don't see the difference as the draft, jury duty, and health care are all decisions made by the govt" The difference is between protecting liberty and denying it. "I also don't care what some dead guy wrote about liberty vs freedom." "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." ~Another dead guy named George Santayana |
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| Chris | Nov 16 2011, 06:02 AM Post #39 |
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More likely its interpretation of the Constitution. Let's hope it's based on the Constitution and not liberal imagination. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 16 2011, 07:10 AM Post #40 |
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I certainly hope so. There is nothing in the constitution that grants the power to government to force its citizens to buy anything. |
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