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Paterno Fired; today
Topic Started: Nov 10 2011, 12:12 PM (1,460 Views)
Pat
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Nov 10 2011, 10:55 PM
Like I said, PSU football is like Jim Jones and his band of followers.
A simple yet to the point analogy Thumper. None of this is complicated.
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Nov 10 2011, 10:55 PM
Like I said, PSU football is like Jim Jones and his band of followers. Paterno did nothing to correct the problem. All part of the Happy Valley mentality. I hope ole Joe has deep pockets for all the lawsuits coming his way.
That analogy makes sense . . . . . until . . . . on asks, "Who fired Jim Jones?
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maybe now we are getting somewhere now. When Joe and his supporters claim he followed the rules and reported to his boss, in reality, he was the boss. And nothing was going to be reported to the police unless PaPa Joe gave the OK.
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As I posted on another thread: "Joe went on to do his job expecting his superiors to do theirs. They failed to do so. And for that you speculate that he did other things that actually were wrong. I just do not buy that.n nI find it almost funny how many folks are willing to accept the absolute chin of authority in accepting the Board of Trustees action but refuse to accept Joe Paterno's reliance on that same chain of authority. Tht seems terribly hypocritical to me."
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Nov 10 2011, 10:47 PM
Considering the rest of your points, it appears that at Penn State University, a culture was developed and nurtured that intimidated all, from the president on down, into following the company line. Morality be damned. I think the Board of Trustees recognized this and therefore has cleaned house. Maybe the trustees were in fact part of this culture as well, and are merely reacting to the fact that the rest of America is so utterly dumbfast that such a culture existed, they have been forced to take these measures. Especially given that congress is now apparently looking into the education system itself in Pennsylvania as a result of this event.
That is one of the down sides of college football when winning is so emphasized and/or so demanded. It brought Woody Hayes down..... he said it himself, "I detest losing" and did so to the point where he "attacked" an opposing player for intercepting a pass. John Cooper who was 111-43-4 (70-30 Big 10) at Ohio State was replaced for not beating Michigan enough..... not winning all the time.

When such football programs grow to the success of a Bear Bryant, a Woody Hayes or a Joe Paterno, universities grow, programs grow, sports programs are expanded, stadiums are built and coaches come under great criticism if the great traditions grown under their watch has a bad year..... criticism from sports writers and commentators, many who may never have known what effort and sacrifice it takes to play the sport, criticism from fans who want top 10 performances from their winning programs, administrations who like the money and exposure it brings..... it comes from all levels of society that puts very little effort or sacrifice into it's development. The pressures come from all levels and then when those pressures build success, icons are made and themselves become tips of the pyramid.... something that they probably didn't' set out to do but was created by demands that winning success brings.

We create our own monsters and then expect them to act as gods. Maybe what this disaster does bring to realization, it's that there are no gods, that dynasties topple under their own weight, that good and great programs actually become too big to prevent being corrupted .... by a pebble.... that there is only one "untoppleable" God and that we don't create him, he creates us.


Now, on the TV sports channels, they are constantly reviewing Joe Paterno's life... his successes, his tradition ...... much of it the good things about Paterno. Yesterday it was "crucify him." Why the change in attitude? Are they without some guilt as well?

I think we are all guilty.
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Joe had to go along with his firing this time. He knew his goose was cooked. He let his power go to his head.
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You may be correct in that we may all be guilty, but some feel a need for a scapegoat and that person appears to be Joe Paterno. Perhaps that will relieve their own guilt in some way.
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Your sifter seems to be clogged up with some pretty big turds on this one, Pat
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If Paterno had been in the california (and several other states) university system , he would be facing criminal charges. The law is pretty straight forward. A coach , teacher , Docter , ETC. that has evidence of child sexual abuse is required by law to report it to the police and child protective services , not to some administrater or his boos.
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Having personally witnessed events like this play out, my counsel would be to refrain from judging Coach Paterno and any of the other school leaders who have been caught up in this media firestorm. Lives and reputations can be ruined...as the feeding frenzy takes hold.

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