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| Chris | Nov 11 2011, 01:03 AM Post #71 |
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There was an economist, from Norway or somewhere up that way, who a couple years ago gave a talk on global warming. He started off with let's assume it's true, OK, so what should we do? Throw billions at it? OK. But what about healthcare, poverty, crime, overpopulation, tyranny, and a world of other problems? We just don't have the resources to solve all these problems. The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. ~P.J.O'Rourke |
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| Chris | Nov 11 2011, 02:45 AM Post #72 |
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But let's get back to the topic some want to distract us from. And the freedom to choose... ObamaCare: Flawed Policy, Flawed Law
Oops. And the law?
Crony capitalism?
Unintended consequences...
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| Deleted User | Nov 11 2011, 04:48 AM Post #73 |
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The question is which of those problems will end up costing more by not doing anything? Offloading the problems onto our grandchildren is selfish & shortsighted. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 11 2011, 04:55 AM Post #74 |
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Sure, Canada is under the same demographic pressures affecting the rest of the western world. The problem is everyone needs health care, and surveys show 90% of Canadians do not object to paying for the current universal system, and it is supported by all political parties, as the most cost effective solution, which if you look at it logically, it is. However, there do need to be some changes to cut back on the nickle & dimeing which is the major cost. Canadians do have a choice to go to private clinic for any procedure that is nto covered or may be delayed, and pay, so in some respects there is a 2 tiered system. However everyone is covered for the basics and no one this country is going to lose their home or savings because they have to pay for a surgical procedure and that is something we value highly as a society. |
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| ImaHeadaU | Nov 11 2011, 05:38 AM Post #75 |
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What country is doing that? Certainly not Canada. |
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| Chris | Nov 11 2011, 05:43 AM Post #76 |
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They all will. And paying for them by raising the national debt only doubles down on the burden our children and theirs will face. It's simply unsustainable. Government at work. |
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| Chris | Nov 11 2011, 05:46 AM Post #77 |
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Can you explain two-tier? What I saw was a combination of "public" and private spending (see chart post 68). |
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| tomdrobin | Nov 11 2011, 06:01 AM Post #78 |
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Personal responsibility and freedom is certainly a desireable goal. Perhaps government should never have got involved in encouraging employers to furnish health care insurance by giving tax breaks, and of course allowing employees a tax free benefit. Were there no such thing ever as insurance, and everyone paid their own bill, we wouldn't have the horrendous cost problem we have now. And, perhaps medicare and medicaid were well meaning programs that had unintended consequences. All of those well meaning programs have effectively driven health care costs out of sight. As for what to do, it is really too late to turn back the clock and start over. Basically we have to make the best of a bad situation. There is no real free market in health care, it's an expensive broken system that is gradually pricing customers out of the market. So, from a pragmatic viewpoint the only way to control costs now is for government to intercede. It is no different than entitlement programs like ADC and food stamps. Once the dependancy has been created, you can't just turn the clock back and remove the entitlement. It's like feeding wild animals, once they become dependant on you, if you remove the feeding tube, there will be intolerable suffering. These problems aren't going to just disappear by cutting the funding. |
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| Chris | Nov 11 2011, 07:55 AM Post #79 |
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"it is really too late to turn back the clock and start over" Continuing in the same unsustainable path will only lead to collapse of the entire corporate-state system so many have come to depend on. Not to add to the pessimism of your last post, Tom. :-) |
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