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| Chris | Nov 10 2011, 09:43 AM Post #51 |
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"Ad Hom, you're really stretching it this time." Showed it above and here you go again: "I'm actually a bit disappointed in you...." blah blah blah. When emotionalism fails liberals they litter their posts with logical fallacies. ""you present data to support your claim but ignore data that doesn't." without actually posting any real data at all." Lie, post 21 presents two sets of data. You even earlier made a hand-waving gesture at it when you dismissed it as "one stat - wait times". Yet, that is data. And the second set of data you do the same: "no matter how fast costs are rising in Canada...." Yet, again, that is data. And both are data your conclusions do not account for. An explanation is valuable only inasmuch as it accounts for all data. "I went a step further than I am even asking you to do." And I acknowledged that, you just quoted me acknowledging that. Yet notice the emotionalism you attach to data. You add emotive words like "right" and "centre" and OMG!! "hard". As opposed to "op-ed", "notoriously biased". "an emotional outburst" Where, Bruce? You real good at making unsubstantiated accusations. "no data of any kind" Repeating the lie. Already demonstrated your acknowledgement of the data I presented. ""Religious Dogma" meme" I think it more than evident who engage in confirmation bias by dismissing data he didn't want to see because it contradicted his conclusions. Not unlike a lot of Creationists I've encountered over the years.
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| Chris | Nov 10 2011, 10:05 AM Post #52 |
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So let's summarize what the data show sans Bruce's emotional handwaving. We have
These facts alone do not support Bruce's conclusions, some counter them. I'm, simply, skeptical, it's not much data to draw conclusions from. One fact missing, Canada's socialistic system denies the individual free choice. If you value freedom, as I do, that alone is too high a price to pay. Edited by Chris, Nov 10 2011, 10:05 AM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 10 2011, 10:22 AM Post #53 |
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See Brew, I told you you would see the "Ad Hom" phrase.
Yeah just like we require kids to go to school and get educated and we require parents to feed them & not to beat them. Real Socialists. Sorry Chris, in this country basic health IS CONSIDERED a human right. That is hardly socialism. If that is not the case in the US as it apparently isn't then that is your loss. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 10 2011, 11:18 AM Post #54 |
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Every citizen should have the right to buy the insurance of their choice. Our Constitution does not say that human rights are to be provided by the government. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 10 2011, 11:54 AM Post #55 |
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So I gather you don't agree with everyone contributing to the cost of education either, through taxes? Kid whose parents can't afford to send them to school remain uneducated. That's the way it is in many 3rd world countries. It's why you see kids selling chicklets on the streets in Central America. Is that the kind of society you envision for the US? Obama's plan is pretty half assed, but its a start. |
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| Brewster | Nov 10 2011, 01:11 PM Post #56 |
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Can't admit you're a victim of Confirmation bias, claiming it's "skepticism"? Let's look one last time at your list: ■ I never argued with you on the basic point. Everyone knows it. It's true of every country in the world. That's why every province is working on solutions. But the Fraser Institute just picked the worst numbers it could come up with, never defined how they arrived at them, and completely disregarded the solutions being proposed. You, locked in your bias, missed the point completely. ■ Two points - it's only one part of health care, and a very minor one, compared to childbirth death rates and adult longevity. But worse, it's completely false. 40% of US citizens have no insurance, and stats show they delay medical care until it reaches critical levels. Worse, when they do go, their only options are Emergency Wards, leading to enormous delays at precisely the times that matters the most:When 10 minutes count, ER wait times in the US are measured in HOURS. Much worse than Canada, and as I said, just when it matters the most. ■ Confirmation Bias in its extreme. That was the number I found that your quoted, and I would thank you to quote me accurately. The total cost to US Families - $45,000 per year. ■ Please complete the statement with:"for the worst results in the industrialized world". And don't tell me you didn't know it. There have been dozens of reports confirming this, including this one: I guess I have to apologize to you. I said you only had one point, which was completely false, or at least misleading. I was wrong. You brought up two false/misleading points. Goodbye Ad Hom. You have nothing. And no facts will convince you, on this or any other topic, such as Global warming. It's sad, really.. I'm blaming Confirmation Bias, but you can list your own reasons. Not getting sucked into such a useless discussion again. Edited by Brewster, Nov 10 2011, 01:12 PM.
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| Thumper | Nov 10 2011, 01:21 PM Post #57 |
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Good for you Brew. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 10 2011, 01:39 PM Post #58 |
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Good choice nosy neighbor. You won't look so bad then. Edited by Jim Miller, Nov 10 2011, 01:39 PM.
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| colo_crawdad | Nov 10 2011, 09:21 PM Post #59 |
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You said it well, Brew. Thank you. I think the moniker "Ad Hom" is appropriate. JMHO |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 10 2011, 09:35 PM Post #60 |
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I have to agree with you on this one, Lowell. It does fit our resident nosy foreigners to a tee. |
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