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| Chris | Nov 9 2011, 08:24 PM Post #21 |
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"The only way to control cost is to cover everyone, and negotiate fees with providers and drug companies." Fine example of liberal fascism. Mussolini must be smiling. But rationing doesn't lead to lower costs and it leads to poorer service... Besides, it's not controling cost: HEALTH CARE SWALLOWS HALF OF ALL REVENUES IN ONTARIO, QUEBEC; FOUR OTHER PROVINCES EXPECTED TO HIT 50 PER CENT BY 2017
On top of that, Statistics Show Canadian Healthcare Is Inferior to American System
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| Deleted User | Nov 9 2011, 09:22 PM Post #22 |
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Pat.............you analogy is so rosy, let paint reality A friend died, left his wife with two daughters to finish raising. he worked hard all his life to provide a good education for his daughters. She continued by working three jobs, going through whatever savings they had to educate her kids. She has worked 80hrs a week for the last ten years with maybe a 3 day driving trip once a year. She cannot afford health insurance as there is no savings left. Her jobs will not give her full time so they can avoid giving healthcare. Whats ironic is that her career is in medical billing. So what about her Pat, what is your solution? |
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| Brewster | Nov 9 2011, 10:39 PM Post #23 |
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Chris, you accuse ME of emotionalism, then turn around and post rightwing crap from the most extreme think tank in Canada, the Koch-funded Fraser Institute. Better look up "Confirmation Bias". On second thought, maybe I'd better find it for you. In your emotional state, you'd probably miss it.
Were you so wrapped up in your emotional thankfulness that you didn't even notice that your report on the inferiority of the Canadian system is based on one stat - wait times? And doesn't compare wait times to need? And did it not occur to you that every country in the world is battling rising health care costs? Fraser Institute has taken the worst possible scenario for every province and assumed nobody was going to do anything to fix it. Worse, they didn't actually print any numbers at all. If they did, you would find that no matter how fast costs are rising in Canada, our system is still costing the average Canadian citizen (and not just Canada, by the way, also every other industrialized nation in the world) barely more than than HALF what the US pays. And even that doesn't really tell the story. Since about 40% of all Americans don't have health insurance, the other 60% are picking up all of the private costs, and more again as taxpayers. Average American Family paying over $13,000 per year And that's only Private insurance. A rightwing think tank in the US found these numbers on the government side: US Governement spends more on health care per person than any other country. - $4,000 And that's not taking into account the imbalance in taxation in the US. Based on figures I've posted before, the middle class is paying about 70% more than the rich and poor, which would make their share probably in the neighborhood of $7,000. Going with those numbers, if we assume that the average middle class American family has four members, that would mean that if they are carrying private health insurance they are paying $28,000 in federal taxes and another $13,000 in private insurance, for a whopping $41,000! Add on about $4000 in state taxes, and we have a nice even $45,000. Is it any wonder so many "opt out"? Of course, if they have an employer who picks up the costs, they don't notice it directly. But then, how many employers are moving out due to health care costs alone? Here in Canada, we pay $5,452 per person, some of it in taxes, some in premiums, some in private extended plans. And with our relatively flat tax rate, everybody pays their share. That means our equivalent family is paying about $22,000. Pay more, get poorer results, and drive business out of the country. The US Right has this one nailed. Signing off. Chris is so emotionally attached to his dogma he'll post more stuff contaminated with Confirmation Bias, but the facts are here. Edited by Brewster, Nov 9 2011, 11:39 PM.
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| Jim Miller | Nov 9 2011, 10:51 PM Post #24 |
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Jeez, Brew. This is none of your business. Butt out. |
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| Brewster | Nov 9 2011, 11:36 PM Post #25 |
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Nothing to say on the subject, Jim? Oh, I forgot - you're fully covered through your government - union plan. No worries there. Stick with your right wing agenda. Edited by Brewster, Nov 9 2011, 11:36 PM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 9 2011, 11:46 PM Post #26 |
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The Fraser Institute? The worlds masters at manipulating statistics. LOL. Funny, my doctor referred me for a colonoscopy 3 weeks ago. I had it in Hospital on Friday. No-one among my friends & family have ever experienced any of these "wait times" the Fraser Institute seems to be able to dig up. I wonder why that is? I'm still waiting for one. Pun intended. I suspect they are padding with stats for minor optional procedures. Or maybe they are not factoring in the time it takes for an eskimo form Baffin island to get to Toronto for a procedure. LOL. They have been pushing for a for-profit type system for years. Then again one just has to look at their funding. Those guys are salivating over the prospects of a Dicckens type type society. That aside, what Chris does not seem to understand is that a system fat with middlemen (read private insurance companies & lawyers) who contribute nothing by expensive bureaucracy to a medical system will easily drain it of its resources. A single payer system is inherently cheaper & more efficient. Medical care is expensive, but I think most people will agree that health trumps all over concerns. Having a fancy car or boat don't mean much if your dead or infirm. I'd sure hate to see what my grandaughters bill would have been in the US for 1 week in an ICU, 3 weeks in a private room, with 2 session of plastic surgery, 2 MRI's, a 4 hour helicopter evacuation, RV site on the hospital grounds, and jaw surgery. They would be better off looking at health statistic comparisons. Canadians beat Americans hands down in every category, including birth rate survival & lifespan. I await a string of "strawman" & "ad hom" responses form the usual source. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 9 2011, 11:55 PM Post #27 |
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Not with a nosy foreigner. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 9 2011, 11:55 PM Post #28 |
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BTW I can spell that English authors name above, the bad word filter kept removing part of it. Mike needs to adjust that, its also a common first name. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 9 2011, 11:56 PM Post #29 |
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Jim repeating yourself is the first sign of Alzenheimers. see a doctor. If you can find one. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 9 2011, 11:58 PM Post #30 |
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Excellent retort, Paul. It is right up there with the rest of your drivel. |
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