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| In your own words, how do you fefine a democrat, republican, or libertarian; Curious | |
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| Mike | Nov 3 2011, 01:15 AM Post #1 |
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Without linking to or cut and pasting an answer, if you are a democrat, republican or libertarian, I ask that you define what the party or philosophy entails and why you support it. I find too many times folks call themselves something, yet when asked to define what they mean, end up staring back with a blank look on their faces. I should probably include the terms Christian, atheist and agnostic, but may be they should be the subject of another thread. |
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| Chris | Nov 3 2011, 01:56 AM Post #2 |
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Should be Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or fill in blank your party or independent. We don't define them, the parties do, we either align with them, or register with them. I align as none of the above, in TX we don't register, I tend to vote Republican and occasionally Libertarian nationally but locally usually. I may not vote nationally this next election. Or should be conservative, liberal, libertarian, which, to me, have to do with principles, add statist, and I'll refer to the Nolan Chart for convenient definition: ![]() You could overlay the two, parties and principles, but I find it less valuable: ![]() I'll note that back in the days of Open Roads General/Around the Campfire I was more of a centrist, but labeled it radical centrist. Things have changed. Edited by Chris, Nov 3 2011, 01:56 AM.
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| tomdrobin | Nov 3 2011, 05:22 AM Post #3 |
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They are all political parties, with libertarian being an ideology as well. Democrat ideology tends toward liberal, and Republican towards conservative. Then you have the social vs fiscal conservatives and liberals. It appears to me the Republicans have moved dramatically towards conservative and libertarian in the last few years. The Tea Party being a big enfluence in that change. So, much so, that if there are moderate Republicans anymore they are keeping a pretty low profile to avoid being labeled rinos and thrown under the bus. I think there is a wider range of ideology with the democrats, from the ultra liberals to the blue dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism |
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| Chris | Nov 3 2011, 05:45 AM Post #4 |
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Tom, libertarian is not Libertarian, one is a principle, the other a party. Conservatism actually begins with the Old Right back in the 20s and 30s, classical liberals, libertarians--see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_(United_States). This was before liberal and conservative were associated with parties as both parties were represented in the Old Right. Kirk along with Buckley and others were New Conservatives, and since FDR and the progressives had adopted liberal, they adopted conservative. There were attempts to fuse the old and new, and even today Republicans pay lib service to the classical liberal/libertarian principles, but nominate New Conservatives. Just as the meaning of conservatism has changed, so too has the meaning of liberalism, classical liberalism is a wholly different set of principles from modern liberalism. Edited by Chris, Nov 3 2011, 05:46 AM.
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| tomdrobin | Nov 3 2011, 05:54 AM Post #5 |
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Isn't that what I said? I do think the Libertarian party is more libertarian, than democrats are liberal or republicans are conservative. |
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| Chris | Nov 3 2011, 06:03 AM Post #6 |
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I didn't think you did, given "They are all political parties" but OK, it was mainly just that phrase. Yes, those parties tend toward those principles, but the Reps are split, as I briefly indicated, and I think the Dems too, between more moderate Blue Dogs and socialist left--but I don't know that history. Another oddity of the word liberal is we, at least in the US, tend to mean modern liberalism when looking internally, but still maintain the older, classical meaning when looking externally in trade and foreign policies. For example, liberal Democrat policy tends toward protectionism, but a liberal trade policy is more open and laissez faire. |
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| Chris | Nov 3 2011, 11:27 PM Post #7 |
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Obviously we haven't complied with Mike's request to put it in your own words. Let me try that... Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians as well as liberals and conservatives, in general, are all for government to enforce their particular personal values, libertarians are for liberty, the liberty for each of us individually to pursue our particular personal values, and for government to protect that liberty and no more. Now that's something you all can take potshots at. Edited by Chris, Nov 3 2011, 11:46 PM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 3 2011, 11:33 PM Post #8 |
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I am a social democrat with fiscally conservative leanings. |
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