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Poll: For economy fix, Americans pick Reagan over Roosevelt
Topic Started: Nov 1 2011, 03:12 PM (854 Views)
tomdrobin
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My parents and grandparents had mostly good things to say about FDR. My paternal grandfather and several uncles were beneficiaries of the new deal, and spent some time in the WPA and CCC, and WWII as well.

I sure liked Reagen and voted for him as well. Looking back in 20/20 hindsight though, I think he started a trend that has caused us a lot of problems. Particularly the policies of supply side economics, deregulation and amnesty for illegal immigrants.
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Jim Miller
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Analyze this to death and it still comes out the same. "Ronald Reagan beat out Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the former president Americans would like to see in the White House during these trying economic times,....."
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Chris
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LOL. My take on this is it has less to do with memories that the fact there are few conservative Presidents in recent history, what, Reagan, Goldwater, and he lost, while there's a boatload of liberals from FDR to LBJ to Carter to Clinton to Bush to Obama that split the vote.
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My town Sequim is a retiree Mecca and rather Conservative, The same poll conducted by our local paper, the Peninsula Daily news and published today 11/3/11 had the following results.Roosevelt 50.2% Reagan 34.6% both 4.0% Neither 9.6% and undecided 1.6%.

The above is probably due to the fact that we have a large over 80 population who personally remember both FDR and Reagan.

Chris do you really believe that the election of Roosevelt can be compared to the election of Hitler?
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campingken
Nov 4 2011, 03:30 AM
My town Sequim is a retiree Mecca and rather Conservative, The same poll conducted by our local paper, the Peninsula Daily news and published today 11/3/11 had the following results.Roosevelt 50.2% Reagan 34.6% both 4.0% Neither 9.6% and undecided 1.6%.

The above is probably due to the fact that we have a large over 80 population who personally remember both FDR and Reagan.

Chris do you really believe that the election of Roosevelt can be compared to the election of Hitler?
On the basis you raised and I compared them, popularity, yes.

FDR favored Mussolini's political policies more, so on that basis, no.
Edited by Chris, Nov 4 2011, 07:35 AM.
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They must have left FDR's Brown Shirt Brigades out of our history books..
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Nov 4 2011, 08:14 AM
They must have left FDR's Brown Shirt Brigades out of our history books..
The ones used in government schools, yes.

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.... I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.
~Comments by FDR in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

The New Deal and corporatism
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When Franklin D. Roosevelt became President of the United States in March 1933, he expressly adopted a variety of measures to see which would work, including several which their proponents felt would be inconsistent with each other. One of these programs was the National Recovery Administration (NRA), which, with its codes and industry organizations, was said by some critics to have a certain resemblance, as an economic institution, to Mussolini's corporatism.[1][2][3][4][5][6] This comparison was made at the time, and it was not always a critical one; even Winston Churchill had praised Benito Mussolini. Churchill controversially claimed that the fascism of Mussolini had "rendered a service to the whole world," showing, as it had, "a way to combat subversive forces" — that is, he considered the regime to be a bulwark against the perceived threat of communist revolution. At one point, Churchill went as far as to call Mussolini the "Roman genius ... the greatest lawgiver among men."[7] FDR's personal letters reveal that he was impressed by what Mussolini was doing and said that he kept in close touch with that "admirable gentleman."[8] Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times, "Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."[9]...
  1. Herbert Hoover. The NRA. Reply to Press Inquiry, Palo Alto. May 15, 1935
  2. Benjamin L. Alpers. 2002 book: Dictators, Democracy, and American Public Culture: Envisioning the Totalitarian Enemy, 1920s-1950s. University of North Carolina Press.
  3. Text online of introduction to 2002 Benjamin L. Alpers book.
  4. Stanley Payne. History of Fascism. 1995. p 230.
  5. Hugh S. Johnson, The Blue Eagle, from Egg to Earth (1935), p 223
  6. Herbert C. Hoover. The Memoirs of Herbert Hoover. 1951. 3 vol; v. 1. Years of adventure, 1874–1920; v. 2. The Cabinet and the Presidency, 1920–1933; v. 3. The Great Depression, 1929–1941.
  7. Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince, Stephen Prior, Robert Brydon. (2002). War of the Windsors: A Century of Unconstitutional Monarchy, p. 78. Mainstream Publishing. ISBN 1-84018-631-3.
  8. Lawrence DiStasi. Una Storia Segreta: The Secret History of Italian American Evacuation and Internment During World II (2001), Heyday Books, page 163.
  9. Ronald Edsforth, The New Deal: American's Response to the Great Depression (2000), Blackwell Publishing, p. 145. 2006 edition.
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campingken
Nov 4 2011, 08:14 AM
They must have left FDR's Brown Shirt Brigades out of our history books..
Those favor historical revisionism in order to shape history to fit their narrow agenda will say "yes they did."
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Nov 4 2011, 09:41 AM
campingken
Nov 4 2011, 08:14 AM
They must have left FDR's Brown Shirt Brigades out of our history books..
Those favor historical revisionism in order to shape history to fit their narrow agenda will say "yes they did."
Do you doubt FDR's own words and those around him?

Shouldn't history through revision strive to discover truth, or leave it buried in lies? Which do you prefer?
Edited by Chris, Nov 4 2011, 10:02 AM.
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What Roosevelt believed Personally doesn't matter. It is what he did that counts. Not much different than someone who spent his life on the tax payer's back and as a member of a union claiming that he is conservative..
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