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| Chris | Nov 1 2011, 06:19 AM Post #41 |
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#1, I'm only repeating ngc's claim we don't know enough. #2 You claim scientific proof when science proves nothing. All scientific claims are uncertain, tentative, incomplete, probabilistic. Thus my earlier statement about political certainty based on scientific uncertainty. Moreover "Until you can find ANY other cause that can match temps as closely, you don't have a fact to stand on." equivocates fact and explanation. #3 From the Curry you ad hom, the fudgification of data is very clear: ![]()
#4 Simple facts, simple logic beats obfuscations hands down. Edited by Chris, Nov 1 2011, 06:25 AM.
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| tomdrobin | Nov 1 2011, 12:51 PM Post #42 |
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I'm no expert. But, it appears to me the Kochs got double crossed and Chris got spanked. But, then I must be an ad hom liberal fascist.
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| Brewster | Nov 1 2011, 01:35 PM Post #43 |
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Absolutely true, Chris. too bad you don't really believe it. Here you are reposting the same crap that was already debunked on post #6. Simple logic is that Curry cherry picked her data - it's well known that it takes at least 15 years to establish a Climate trend, and the longer the better, as in the BEST graph you posted. But she picked about 10. More to the point, she picked just enough to include the momentary major dip in 2010, then cut it off in a hurry before it rose so dramatically in 2011. She did even worse on the BEST graph, cutting it off in the early 2000's. Smart on her part, because they would totally destroy the nonsense she is trying to spread. But of course, if you had actually read the entire of the link on #6, you'd already know that. In the meantime, let's look at BEST's entire graph, from which Curry cut out just the part she wanted to show: ![]() Ignorance isn't always bliss, sometimes it's just dangerous. And if you continue to believe Deniers like Curry and her obfuscations, that's what you (and the whole world) will face. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 1 2011, 01:37 PM Post #44 |
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I thought you were signing off?
Edited by Jim Miller, Nov 1 2011, 01:38 PM.
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| Brewster | Nov 1 2011, 01:45 PM Post #45 |
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You're right, Jim. I was. And I shall. But when someone posts obvious junk from proven liars and pretends he's quoting "facts and logic", then makes some sort of all-knowing statement about "scientific uncertainty" which proves he knows nothing about how the scientific method works, and uses that double mistake to make condescending remarks based off that nonsense, I get irate. I apologize. |
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| Chris | Nov 1 2011, 07:39 PM Post #46 |
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Ad hom. |
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| Chris | Nov 1 2011, 07:49 PM Post #47 |
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Just more hand-waving ad hom distractions and repeating claims you proved something you haven't because it's been shown false. You claim "human caused CO2 is the cause of recent warming." The graph you show supports your argument, and I understand why you want to use it, but Curry's graph of temps over the last decade falsifies it. If your hypothesis was correct, it would predict that given continuing human expansion driving continuing rising CO2 levels, that there would therefore be continuing rising temperatures. That prediction has failed over the last decade. ![]() Again, simple facts, simple logic, simple conclusion: the data do not support your hypothesis. Edited by Chris, Nov 1 2011, 07:50 PM.
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| Chris | Nov 1 2011, 07:52 PM Post #48 |
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More ad hom. "makes some sort of all-knowing statement about "scientific uncertainty" which proves he knows nothing about how the scientific method works" That statement makes no sense for two reasons. One, scientific uncertainty implies tentative, incomplete, probabilistic knowledge, not "some sort of all-knowing". Self-contradiction is always false. But, two, let's look at Scientific Method
Bruce follows scientific method up to step 4 and then abandons it. When I hear a scientific claim, I "Look for the opposite of each consequence in order to disprove 2" and that's what I've done here, found data that falsifies Bruce's claim. Bruce on the other hand has not done that, but has desperately swept falsifying data under the rug and repeats data in an effort to affirm the consequent. I suggest a healthy dose of Popper on falsification. Bruce, you're a Creation Scietist whose formed a belief and seeks data to support it but rejects anything that doesn't, an Intelligent Designer who has replaced God with Man who is not only the problem but the solution if the Hegelian State can just re-engineer Society and save Man from himself. Edited by Chris, Nov 1 2011, 08:56 PM.
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| Sea Dog | Nov 1 2011, 11:12 PM Post #49 |
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These folks should have called Chris! http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/2011/10/28/18892601.html They would have known not to get exited. |
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| Chris | Nov 2 2011, 01:27 AM Post #50 |
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You're right, no need to get excited over scientism. |
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