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| Chris | Nov 1 2011, 04:04 AM Post #31 |
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Oh, and my comment about certainty/uncertainty was directed at those who spout political certainty based on scientific uncertainty. |
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| ngc1514 | Nov 1 2011, 04:05 AM Post #32 |
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Come on Chris, you know better than that. How do you take: "The problem is that no one is sure what drives these cycles. Why, after millions of years, did the earth start a period of glaciation about 2 million years ago?" And then claim I said the "the data doesn't support it." What data doesn't support what and what is "it?" |
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| ngc1514 | Nov 1 2011, 04:06 AM Post #33 |
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Since you were addressing a post from me, where have I ever claimed political certainty based on scientific uncertainty? |
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| Chris | Nov 1 2011, 04:46 AM Post #34 |
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Because you brought up uncertainty. The context of what I say follows what you say. You'd said "Claiming today's warming is just one of those cycles is unsupportable by facts." So that should answer your questions "What data doesn't support what and what is "it?"" I add that the converse is also the case, claiming today's warming in not just one of those cycles is also unsupportable by facts. No one is certain what the causes are. Would you buy a car or a house based on that much uncertainty, I doubt it, so why should we ask the state to spend billions on the politicization of science? The problem here is one side is claiming certainty based on fudged data. What was it Twain said about statistics? Edited by Chris, Nov 1 2011, 04:47 AM.
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| Brewster | Nov 1 2011, 05:28 AM Post #35 |
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Only the US Right is politicizing science Chris. And I'm not really asking the state to start spending a few billion on the politicization of science. I'm asking the state to AVOID spending QUADRILLIONS on trying to overcome the devastating effects of Business as Usual. The US Right is willing to spend any amount of taxpayer dollars just to support their twisted agenda - they keep claiming that they're "conservatives", but this topic alone shows what liars they are. We know EXACTLY what the causes are. I could produce (and have produced) Hundreds of articles, all solid science, which show human caused CO2 is the cause of recent warming. But this graph proves it all in one step: ![]() Temperatures are rising in lockstep with rising CO2 levels. Until you can find ANY other cause that can match temps as closely, you don't have a fact to stand on. Edited by Brewster, Nov 1 2011, 05:37 AM.
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| Jim Miller | Nov 1 2011, 05:32 AM Post #36 |
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ZZZZZZZZ! |
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| Sea Dog | Nov 1 2011, 05:40 AM Post #37 |
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No sand to stick your head in, Jim? |
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| Brewster | Nov 1 2011, 05:50 AM Post #38 |
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Thanks for that thoughtful and detailed reply, Jim. It is that sort of careful consideration and discussion of the facts that prove I was right when I decided to leave this forum. And I apologize to myself for coming back. In fact, Jim, I shouldn't pick on you, and I will apologize to you. At least your honesty in admitting you're ignoring the truth is principled, unlike Chris, who has already proven he can't or won't read the facts given to him, and continues to post already disproven graphs.. Look at his erroneous post #3 written by a known error-prone Denier, Curry, and repeated by a proven liar, Delingpole. I posted the facts on #6. which completely destroy every assertion she made. Chris chose to call the descriptions "Ad Hom", without ever checking whether those descriptions were accurate or not, and ignoring the science entirely. Then, since he had ignored the truth, he posted the same garbage on #19, claiming nobody had answered the first post. I guess the truth is nobody answered it the way Chris wanted it answered. Edited by Brewster, Nov 1 2011, 05:51 AM.
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| Brewster | Nov 1 2011, 06:09 AM Post #39 |
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And you missed them all. The facts are indisputible. This was the worst drought ever experienced in Texas. Not even close. I CALL THAT IGNORANCE OF THE FACTS. Compare what Texas looked like in midsummer vs what you posted: ![]() Perhaps ignorance is the wrong word. The data is also indisputable. But of course, you posted a cherry picked graph, dated to April, before the worst of the drought had even started. I CALL THAT DELIBERATE DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH. And when you add to that the extreme weather experienced all over the world this year, the only logical conclusion is that you would prefer to destroy everything just to continue worshiping your "Dead Hand". You want some more proof of that?
Q.E.D. Edited by Brewster, Nov 1 2011, 06:10 AM.
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| Brewster | Nov 1 2011, 06:13 AM Post #40 |
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Signing off. Those that are willing to accept the facts already know the truth. The rest will never learn. They won't even try. Go to it Chris. I'm sure you can find many more |
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