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Koch Brothers pay to show global warming is real
Topic Started: Oct 31 2011, 08:01 PM (4,892 Views)
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Then tell me where the graphs came from. Do they come direct from Dr. Curry? If so you should be able to point me to where she published them. If not, provide the link they did come from. How much more simple can that possibly be?

http://i.snag.gy/ just does not cut it. Below is another graph, you can see is on the same web site, not as pretty but just as valid. You are a slippery one, I will give you that.

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"Then tell me where the graphs came from."

Time to end your lie.

You requested that and I gave you the source in post #124. You replied to that post in #127 by attacking an organization. I replied to that in post #128.

For the last 3 pages you've been lying through you teeth that I didn't give you my source.

Normally, telco, your arguments address facts with fallacies. Now you're trying to use some logic that because I won't give you my source there is something suspicious. In short, you're now trying to argue logically from a lie.

You can't draw rational conclusions based on fallacies or lies.

Now stop lying, telco.
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Then give me a link to the source of your graphs and we can settle this. Just how hard can that be? Apparently very hard by the looks of it. If you present a graph to back up an assertion, be prepared to defend its source. That is the way it works in the real world, you know.

Accusing someone of lying because you won't back up your sources, is a cowards way out.


Just to be clear BTW, here are the graphs in question:

http://i.snag.gy/Jy3ur.jpg

http://i.snag.gy/wqHcQ.jpg

I simply want their source, not the website you uploaded them onto.
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Nov 14 2011, 06:48 AM
"Then tell me where the graphs came from."

Time to end your lie.

You requested that and I gave you the source in post #124. You replied to that post in #127 by attacking an organization. I replied to that in post #128.

For the last 3 pages you've been lying through you teeth that I didn't give you my source.

Normally, telco, your arguments address facts with fallacies. Now you're trying to use some logic that because I won't give you my source there is something suspicious. In short, you're now trying to argue logically from a lie.

You can't draw rational conclusions based on fallacies or lies.

Now stop lying, telco.
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Since you've added another graph to your lie that I did not give the source I'll show it another lie by pointing to my post #103.

Actually, go on lying.
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Back up or shut up, is about i can say at this point.

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Nov 14 2011, 07:01 AM
Back up or shut up, is about i can say at this point.

I backed up the fact you have been lying.

I provided sources to all I have referred to.
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I notice Chris is still hanging on to that one solitary lamppost.

In spite of repeated posts proving that Curry either didn't understand the BEST research, doesn't understand statistics, or (more likely) was flat out lying, Chris soldiers on, without a single reliable secondary source to back up anything he says.

I showed how Curry has managed to "Hide the Incline" by butchering BEST's graphs, then when even that wasn't good enough, cherry picking what she could out of that. But apparently Chris missed it, and keeps talking about her partial graph while ignoring the overall picture.

But don't feel bad if you can't convince Chris, gang. His new heroine Judith Curry seems to be somewhat reality-challenged as well.

I could find dozens of rebuttles, but this little question sums it all up:
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Judith Curry:

The “question of the week” was: What’s your scientific basis for your own claims?

You said “Our data show the pause.” That means the Berkeley data. You didn’t say “maybe.”

You used that claim to accuse Richard Muller of “hiding the decline” — to a reporter from the Daily Mail. You also said “There is no scientific basis for saying that warming hasn’t stopped.” The implication is clear, that if Richard Muller makes a claim about temperature trend you insist he have a scientific basis for it. So when you made a claim about temperature trend in the Berkeley data I asked you for your scientific basis.

Apparently you don’t have one.


I also rather enjoyed this response. It's quite long, but here's the conclusion:
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Dr Curry, my apologies for not getting to the actual alleged topic of your post; I meant to, I really did. I would very much prefer to be talking about how we improve the communication of science. It’s just that I find it’s very difficult to read a piece where every second statement has me slapping my forehead at the shameless misrepresentation of the facts, the transparent bad faith, and baldly disingenuous arguments.

To improve the communication of science I humbly suggest that objectively and accurately reporting the facts coupled with a rational, sincere and in good faith discussion would go a long way to helping.

That suggestion would go a long way here as well.

All these pages, and Chris has learned nothing. But I'm sure he can find a few "Ad Hom"s and "Straw Men" in OTHER PEOPLE'S WRITINGS somewhere.
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Ok, i see one of them in there, SPPI, a well known denier organization which has been unable to get non-profit status, BTW. How about the other one?
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"In spite of repeated posts proving that Curry either didn't understand the BEST research, doesn't understand statistics, or (more likely) was flat out lying, Chris soldiers on, without a single reliable secondary source to back up anything he says. "

Uh, Bruce, please give us the post #s where you supposedly proved anything.

As opposed to brewster's ad hom bluster there are the shown facts Curry is a climatologist and chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, and member of the BEST team. And her colleague on the BEST Team, Richard Muller, has been cited: "...he [Muller] admitted it was true that the BEST data suggested that world temperatures have not risen for about 13 years. But in his view, this might not be ‘statistically significant’, although, he added, it was equally possible that it was – a statement which left other scientists mystified." Moreover it has been shown the scientific community does not dismiss her or the BEST data she uses to show well over a decade of no temperature rise despite dramatic rises in CO2.



"All these pages, and Chris has learned nothing."

I should learn something from someone proven to make things up?
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