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| Chris | Nov 13 2011, 05:18 AM Post #111 |
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"NGC is correct. A lot of these scientists trying to support the denier crowd are not climate scientists at all...." Please cite where he says this. You're arguing consensus, justificationism, not science. "Some skepticism is healthy, no one is denying that, but they are facing overwhelming evidence against their position, and to support it they can only cherry pick isolated bits of data, which is practicing bad science." I cited data for over 11,000 years and 420,000 years. Brewster cited data for a little over 200 years, ignoring the last decade or so. Let's agree then that "to support it they can only cherry pick isolated bits of data, which is practicing bad science." Brewster's own argument against Curry has bit him in the ass. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 13 2011, 05:19 AM Post #112 |
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That is not unusual for our resident self-proclaimed expert. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 13 2011, 05:25 AM Post #113 |
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Brew is one of the few people here actually presenting any scientific facts as evidence, rather than political dogma or co-opted pieces by the oil industry. That some here seem too dumb to separate fact from propaganda, is hardly his fault. |
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| Chris | Nov 13 2011, 05:28 AM Post #114 |
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BS, telco. I've presented the last decade or more's data on temps, As well as data going back 11,000 years and 420,000 years. You're back to ad hom. You never answered how you defend that, how false argument can lead to true conclusions? Want to take a stab at it? I don't blame you if you don't. |
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| ngc1514 | Nov 13 2011, 05:42 AM Post #115 |
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But isn't your argument just as squarely in the justificationist camp as well? Just in that you are accepting a different theory. At least it seems you are accepting a different theory since you are - based on your postings - not withholding judgement. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 13 2011, 05:42 AM Post #116 |
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When then lets address that. Here is your graph:![]() First of all look at the scale used its a pretty wide one in both time & temperature and I see no reference as where it originated and how the data was obtained. Possibly you could reveal the source, a graph means nothing if you can't back up where the data to produce it came from. my granddaughter can draw up a graph like that. Here is the one from the US environment agency (Link) , then look at this graph of the last 10 years.![]() Source Now the one big factor on temperature change vs CO2 since the industrial revolution is the role of SO2 pollution which has had an offsetting effect. One reason for the rapid change as of late is the fact that SO2 pollution has been bought far more under control than carbon emissions. |
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| Chris | Nov 13 2011, 05:42 AM Post #117 |
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Telco, the data below is from the same source. How can it be both good and bad data?
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| Deleted User | Nov 13 2011, 05:48 AM Post #118 |
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What source, I see no source given. You know, in medicine, nothing is accepted without proper journal research references. Where are yours? I don't see them. All you have posted are pretty graphs with no recognized organization or scientific data to back them up so I can scrutinize it and the people who provided the data. Please provide that, or your arguments are not worth the effort to read. |
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| Chris | Nov 13 2011, 05:50 AM Post #119 |
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I haven't argued any theory. I am expressing skepticism, and mainly skepticism with Brewster's oversimplified hypothesis that man causes CO2 rise and that causes temp rise, and that skepticism bases on the simple fact his hypothesis doesn't fit the data of the last ten years or so. Nor does it account for data shown in post #103. An explanation is valuable only inasmuch as it explains the phenomena at hand. Let's face it, Bruce's hypothesis is not that of climatologists. His says nothing at all of feedback, as discussed in post #103. It considers not other factors, like you can find if you follow the link for the Deutsch ideas. |
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| Chris | Nov 13 2011, 05:54 AM Post #120 |
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For crying out loud, telco, look at what's posted, several times now:
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, then look at this graph of the last 10 years.
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