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| Liberal Conceit And The Havoc It Has Wrought On Our Nation | |
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| tomdrobin | Oct 26 2011, 10:57 PM Post #41 |
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English was never my strong suit, but what other than WWII was this it you speak of? |
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| Chris | Oct 26 2011, 11:20 PM Post #42 |
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Uh, it refers generally to massive government stimulus programs, namely Hoover's and FDR's policies of government intervention into the market. See my previous post on facts about Hoover's policies. While WWII did stimulate the economy as you said, and I agreed with, it produced in its aftermath another recession when the boys came home from war and the bills came due and Europe demanded reparations and rebuilding. Other than debunking the Hoover myth, there's nothing revisionist in those facts at all. The war was hardly planned as a policy, it's the policies to deal with war and other crisis that are subject to criticism. |
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| colo_crawdad | Oct 26 2011, 11:44 PM Post #43 |
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Tin, It appears that the antecedent to "it' in that sentence is WWII, But then again, there is little specific clarity in the statement and identification of an antecedent is an iffy proposition,.. |
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| Chris | Oct 26 2011, 11:50 PM Post #44 |
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Crawdad lies again. And again because my statement has been specified and clarified. Leave it to a liar to obfuscate when he's got no facts and logic to bring to bear on the discussion. |
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| tomdrobin | Oct 27 2011, 11:20 AM Post #45 |
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It is my understanding that FDR's new deal spending was a departure from Hoover's policies. So, we had the new deal spending, the WWII spending and the reconstruction spending, yet still managed to pay for it. And, the taxes levied to pay for it didn't hurt economic growth like the naysayers these days are claiming. The big lie of supply side economics. |
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| Chris | Oct 27 2011, 10:21 PM Post #46 |
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I think you're understanding is incorrect, while FDR decried Hoover's big government big spending policies to get elected, once elected, he adopted them on even a grander scale. Also you're ignoring the gap between 1929 and the our entry into WWII in 1941, a 12 year gap generally called the Great Depression, right? So much for taxes paying for big government big spending not doing harm. And you have no comment on the fact the war was not planned nor on the recession that followed it. In the end it seems all you've got is calling people naysayers because they defy the myths you believe and arguing straw men like supply side economics that weren't argued till the 1970s near;ly 5 decades after the Great Depression. |
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| tomdrobin | Oct 27 2011, 10:38 PM Post #47 |
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If you want to subscribe to revisionist history to support your libertarian views have at it, but the facts don't support it.
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| Chris | Oct 27 2011, 11:23 PM Post #48 |
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"If you want to subscribe to revisionist history to support your libertarian views have at it, but the facts don't support it." Facts? Where? You posted an opinion, Tom, not facts. Anyone can find an opinion that supports anything, that's the nature of opinions. The blogger cites Sowell: "Government intervention may look good to the media but its actual track record — both today and in the 1930s — is far worse than the track record of letting the economy recover on its own." All he does next is say that's wrong, but he fails to show it. He shows how little he understands Sowell by misrepresenting his as saying "that because the New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression it was therefore a failure." Not what he just cited at all. He claims "It’s not a view shared by actual professional economists or historians." But Sowell is a professional economist. And wouldn't you consider Obama Economic Adviser Christina Romer a professional economist? In her paper, WHAT ENDED THE GREAT DEPRESSION?, she disagrees with your blogger:
You highlight "Rauchway’s point is simple – the New Deal produced extremely strong economic growth and greatly reduced unemployment." But the blogger has done nothing to support that claim let alone show Rauchway even made it. I see again you see revision as a negative. Don't you think that as new studies are done and new facts emerge that the vision ought to be revised. I for one would take such a scientific view over a historicist one. Edited by Chris, Oct 27 2011, 11:24 PM.
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| Chris | Oct 27 2011, 11:32 PM Post #49 |
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One such revision needed is to debunk the myth Hoover was laissez faire noninterventionist and FDR invented the New Deal. Here are some plain and simple facts: Herbert Hoover: Father of the New Deal
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| Chris | Oct 28 2011, 09:41 AM Post #50 |
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Tom, if you're looking for facts to support your argument, skip the emotion-laden fluff and look for dry boring facts, like the following: Did the New Deal ‘Help’?
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