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Liberal Conceit And The Havoc It Has Wrought On Our Nation
Topic Started: Oct 21 2011, 06:29 PM (1,458 Views)
campingken
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Are you talking about the Hobbes in "Calvin and Hobbes?" He ceratinly is one wise stuffed tiger.
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campingken
Oct 23 2011, 04:25 AM
Are you talking about the Hobbes in "Calvin and Hobbes?" He ceratinly is one wise stuffed tiger.
No, and when I mention Hayek I don't mean Salma, though I'm sure she could stimulate the economy.
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WWII helped turn a recesssion into a depression?

Now, that is the ultimate in revionist history.
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tomdrobin
Oct 26 2011, 10:25 AM
WWII helped turn a recesssion into a depression?

Now, that is the ultimate in revionist history.
I don't think you read what I said, Tom, try again without revising it.
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tomdrobin
Oct 26 2011, 10:25 AM
WWII helped turn a recesssion into a depression?

Now, that is the ultimate in revisionist history.
Surprised, Tom?
Edited by colo_crawdad, Oct 26 2011, 08:16 PM.
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Oct 26 2011, 08:00 PM
tomdrobin
Oct 26 2011, 10:25 AM
WWII helped turn a recesssion into a depression?

Now, that is the ultimate in revionist history.
Surprised, Tom?
Even though tom was corrected for his straw man, the dissembler turns it into a lie.
Edited by Chris, Oct 26 2011, 08:10 PM.
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colo_crawdad
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Tom,

I have read that particular attempted revision of history many times posted by members of the extreme right.
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colo_crawdad
Oct 26 2011, 08:17 PM
Tom,

I have read that particular attempted revision of history many times posted by members of the extreme right.
And he perpetuates the lie.



Here is what Tom said: "WWII was economically a massive government stimulus program."

And what I said in response: "True, and it and Hoover's and FDR's policies turned a recession into a depression and only served to prolong it. So history shows Keynes correct and the neo-Keynesians like Krugman wrong."

IOW, I agreed it is true WWII was a stimulus and then pointed out how the actions of Hoover and FDR turned a recession into a depression. Historically, the Great Depression occurred before WWII.

Tom may have misread "True" but after correcting his error it is obvious crawdad is dissembling, and after he was called on that, obvious he is deliberately lying.
Edited by Chris, Oct 26 2011, 08:29 PM.
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Tom,

I have read members of the right attempting to revise history by claiming that FDR's programs turned a recession into a depression. Is that what you were talking about?
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Oct 26 2011, 10:00 PM
Tom,

I have read members of the right attempting to revise history by claiming that FDR's programs turned a recession into a depression. Is that what you were talking about?
Crawdad tries to correct his lie from someone claiming WWII turned a recession into a depression, which no one argued, but still gets it wrong, the claim was, and I quote again, so his dissembling is clear: "True, and it and Hoover's and FDR's policies turned a recession into a depression and only served to prolong it. So history shows Keynes correct and the neo-Keynesians like Krugman wrong." Why the deliberate need to distort and dissemble and lie?

What's funny about these attempts is the further attempt to make historical revision a negative. I guess I can understand how it might irritate liberals to have economic myths exposed as false by facts and logic, but isn't it rather dogmatic to insist those myths be perpetuated? I mean, when the facts demand new historical conclusions, shouldn't revision to capture the truth be demanded? Should politics follow religious beliefs about creation or accept the scientific evidence of evolution?

Here for example is a piece on the causes of the Great Depression, the facts are obvious, the logic simple.

Obama's Great Depression: The president is following in Herbert Hoover's footsteps
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...It's commonly believed Hoover took a hands-off approach to the country's economic distress, and that his administration's tight-fisted refusal to spend prolonged the misery. But Hoover was about as stingy with a government dollar as "Jersey Shore" is with hairspray.

Hoover increased federal spending by more than 50 percent, signed the biggest peacetime tax increase to that point, lavished money on public works, and signed the disastrous Smoot-Hawley protectionist tariff. FDR slammed Hoover's "reckless and extravagant" spending and accused him of wanting to "center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible." Roosevelt's running mate, John Nance Garner, denounced Hoover for "leading the country down the path of socialism."

Hoover's massive government interventionism did not end the Great Depression. George W. Bush's rapid spending increases did not forestall the current malaise. And the massive government outlays of the past three years—federal spending has increased 30 percent; despite layoffs, state and local spending has grown, not shrunk—have not cured the country's economic ills, either....
Edited by Chris, Oct 26 2011, 10:22 PM.
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