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| Finally! An end to the "We never reached the moon" crud | |
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| ngc1514 | Jul 18 2009, 05:16 AM Post #1 |
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While nothing will ever really satisfy the "we never reached the moon" crowd (it's a religious thing), there has finally been a image taken of the Apollo 11 Descent vehicle.![]() http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/51023977.html Here's the images from NASA's site. You can even see astronaut footprints! http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html |
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| Mike | Jul 19 2009, 12:31 AM Post #2 |
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I believe there was a book or film whose theme was that the moon landings were a hoax, and the pictures of the moon landing, footprints etc the the result of Hollywood type stage craft. I suppose anything is possible. The pictures in the link have no detail. And those who believe we never landed on the moon can still claim that stagecraft is used in the latest proclamations.. Moon landings, aliens, big foot, crop circles...lol.... |
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| Mike | Jul 19 2009, 12:32 AM Post #3 |
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Do you believe that alien beings have visited Earth NGC? What is your take on the UFO situation? |
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| Mike | Jul 19 2009, 12:43 AM Post #4 |
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Opps! I forgot to post this:
_______________________________________________________________________________ MOON-PAULVI Jul-16-2009 (580 words) With photos. xxxi Moon landing: Vatican Radio marks anniversary with Pope Paul VI texts By Cindy Wooden Catholic News Service VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- "Honor, greetings and blessings to you, conquerors of the moon, pale lamp of our nights and our dreams," Pope Paul VI said in a message to the three Apollo 11 astronauts who had just landed on the moon. The night of July 20-21, 1969, Pope Paul had spent time looking at the moon through the telescope of the Vatican Observatory at his summer residence in Castel Gandolfo. Then he watched the actual landing and the first moon walk on television. But his message to the U.S. astronauts and a congratulatory telegram to then-President Richard Nixon represent only a tiny portion of what Pope Paul had to say about the expedition months before the July 16 launch and months after the July 24 return to earth. Marking the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the moon, Vatican Radio published its collection of Pope Paul's audience and Angelus talks about the mission, his reflections on the day of the landing, and the text of his speech to astronauts Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, whom he met at the Vatican Oct. 16, 1969. Pope Paul told Armstrong that he was right on the mark in describing the mission as "one giant leap for mankind." "Man has a natural urge to explore the unknown, to know the unknown; yet man has also a fear of the unknown," Pope Paul told the three men. "Your bravery has transcended this fear and through your intrepid adventure man has taken another step toward knowing more of the universe." Pope Paul told the men that the time, energy, talents, resources and teamwork behind their successful trip "pay tribute to the capacity of modern man to reach beyond himself, to reach beyond human nature, to attain the perfection of achievement made possible by his God-given talent." The pope also prayed that people's knowledge of God's creation would continue to grow and that it would lead them to see more clearly God's power, infinity and perfection. Pope Paul began talking about the Apollo 11 mission at his weekly general audience May 21, 1969. In his audience and Angelus addresses over the next two months he repeatedly emphasized that the Catholic Church applauded the accomplishments of science, technology and human ingenuity, but he always drew people's attention back to God as the source of their creativity and the creator of the universe they were trying to explore. Speaking July 13, he said that, just as the mission drew people's attention to the moon, it also should provoke questions about human life and identity. A week later, just hours before the moon landing, he cautioned that, while technology could allow humanity to reach great heights, its use for good or evil always depended on human minds and hearts. "The human heart absolutely must become freer, better and more religious as machines, weapons and the instruments people have at their disposition become more powerful," he said. "Today we celebrate a sublime victory," he said, but human beings also must dedicate their time, talent and creativity to solving problems on the planet that is their home. "As we know, there are still three wars under way on the face of the earth: Vietnam, Africa and the Middle East and a fourth has been added, already claiming thousands of victims in El Salvador and Honduras," he said in the July 20, 1969, speech. Adding that "hunger still afflicts entire populations," he asked, "Where is real humanity? Where is brotherhood? Where is peace?" END Copyright (c) 2009 Catholic News Service/USCCB. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed. CNS · 3211 Fourth St NE · Washington DC 20017 · 202.541.3250 |
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| ngc1514 | Jul 20 2009, 08:00 AM Post #5 |
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I have spent more time looking at the night time sky than most people. I associate with large groups of people who also spend a lot of time looking at the night sky. We've seen all sorts of strange things from barium satellite releases to bolides brighter than the full moon. But the one thing none of us have seen are UFOs. The sad fact is that most people don't know what's SUPPOSED to be in the sky.... why should they be creditable that they've seen something that was unusual? I used to run the telescope at the Palm Beach County Science Museum and several times I had people come in to report a UFO that was shooting across the sky, changing colors and all sorts of odd behavior. A couple of times when we went outside, they pointed to Venus as the culprit (the same "UFO" Jimmy Carter reported seeing.) The number of UFO sightings drops to zero when people who know what's up there are the ones looking.
And how many people would the Vatican be able to feed if they sold the collections of art in the Vatican Museum? Sitting on art, books, buildings and land worth billions and telling other people how they should spend their money... I'll be polite and not go any further. |
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| Mike | Jul 22 2009, 09:41 PM Post #6 |
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They could feed millions NGC. And the same could be said if we sold all the art treasures kept at the Smithonian, or other national museums. The reason the Vatican and other institutions maintain these collections is for preservation of art and culture. It is true that the pieces are valuable, but I think it is better that these pieces be maintained in safe environments accessible to the average person...not locked up in private collections. |
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| ngc1514 | Jul 22 2009, 09:49 PM Post #7 |
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That's a pretty puny argument, Mike. The difference being that the Smithsonian, Louvre, Prado, British and all the other national and private museums were not charged by their founder with a duty to feed the poor and clothe the naked. I don't see anywhere where Jesus advocated building huge cathedrals or amassing world-class art collections. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out where I might have missed this. There are plenty of museums around the world able to provide "safe environments accessible to the average person." Selling these pieces to the world's museums would provide even more money to feed and clothe while preserving art, culture and public access. |
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| Mike | Jul 22 2009, 11:07 PM Post #8 |
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Weak argument or not, the fact remains that this is the tradition of the Church. The manner in which the Church approaches charity is well established and doing a remarkable job worldwide and is but one of many missions it is charged with. |
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| ngc1514 | Jul 22 2009, 11:15 PM Post #9 |
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A remarkable job is pretty subjective. Are there starving Catholics anywhere in the world? If so and the church is sitting on a pile of money.... how can you consider them doing a remarkable job? How many more starving Catholics would be necessary to downgrade that rating to that of an adequate job? How many more to reach a rating of not a very good job at all? |
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| Mike | Jul 24 2009, 01:50 AM Post #10 |
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Of course there are starving Catholics in the world NGC. And at the same time there are efforts in place to solve the underlying isues related to their condition, and efforts in place to fill their bellies. Should cathedrals be dismantled and their bricks and copper wiring sold to raise funds? Should religious artifacts and artwork be sold off to raise funds? Should church properties be sold and the money raised be focused on worldwide hunger? Those are all questions that one could raise and use as a basis of criticism, were one not in a position to consider all other aspects that go into a world wide ecclesiastical calling. The art and other treasures are maintained with the overall calling as well as centuries old tradition in mind. Church properties are sold and bought for the same reason. There is a bigger picture that overlies the questions you raise. |
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