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| Mike | May 20 2009, 04:56 AM Post #1 |
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...spontaneous generation The mathematical odds of DNA being the result of spontaneous generation ( forming itself) are 1 in 10 to the power of 67 (A.J. White, "Uniformitarianism, Probability and Evolution). I can't imagine a worse set of odds. But 1 in 10 to the power of 68 is possible....I suppose. I wouldn't bet on something if it were 1 in 10 odds. Would you? |
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| Deleted User | May 20 2009, 05:34 AM Post #2 |
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The old creationist misrepresentation that evolution is completely random rather than confined to the laws of nature. Straw man. Dawkin's has the following answer:
Now you're sounding like breeze, just repeating the same old already debunked creation nonsense. |
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| Mike | May 20 2009, 06:08 AM Post #3 |
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That's great Chris, yet in the research, the author never used a monkey now, did he? i would venture to say that there would be enough difference in DNA, that the author would not be capable of devising a computer model let alone get a monkey to sit around for millions of years. And there is another little fact that has not been accounted for... the DNA between any two persons is 99.1% identical... however, that 0.9% difference in our DNA makeup is very important as it accounts for all of our varied genetic differences. And if evolution is brought into the equation, how would one with certainty make a claim that evolution was the cause of the mutation? It could very well be attributed to God. Remember, science does not prove facts. Which leads me back to the math odds of my post. Although I found those odds at a website, are they factual? Or is it impossible to create a set of odds with so much variables? Isn't the safer bet, the one that evolution is a bit hocus pocus...when using it to debate the origin of the universe? |
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| ngc1514 | May 20 2009, 06:10 AM Post #4 |
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The argument has the unexamined assumption that only one configuration of DNA will suffice or that the same complexity of today's DNA reflects that 3.5 billion years ago. It also assumes that the process is completely random. Chris covered this very well. Do you have evidence to confute any of these objections? One of the problems with "arguing" a subject about which you admittedly know nothing (ok, very little) is that you are unfamiliar with what has already been done. Breezy is floundering around cutting and pasting information that has been presented and refuted in the public press. What makes it non-scientific is that the creationists don't have the cojones to present it in the scientific press. |
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| ngc1514 | May 20 2009, 06:13 AM Post #5 |
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You have it backwards. Mutation is one of the driving forces behind evolution. God is not necessary because most mutations are just transcription errors as the DNA replicates. |
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| Deleted User | May 20 2009, 06:29 AM Post #6 |
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"Isn't the safer bet" Eric, there's the Pascal's Wager you predicted. Isn't science fun! |
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| ngc1514 | May 20 2009, 10:35 PM Post #7 |
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As soon as a creationist brings forth the objective evidence supporting the creationist's origin argument, we might have something to consider. Arguing against quantum cosmology is not the same as arguing for creationism. |
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