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could you spend the winter out side.
Topic Started: May 18 2009, 10:23 PM (950 Views)
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Mike
May 19 2009, 07:07 AM
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May 19 2009, 06:50 AM
Mike, all you ever do is make assertions. Then ask everyone to disprove your assertions. The burden of proof is on you.
No it isn't Chris. The issue seems to be whether a man evolved or is a separate species. From the arguments I read, it was suggested that man evolved. I haven't seen a shred of proof that irrefutably proves that point. Now if you are arguing that man is a result of evolution, then show me the proof.
Mike you made the claim "God created man." The burden of proof is on you.

"I haven't seen a shred of proof that irrefutably proves that point."

As Eric already stated, that's not the business of science.

But, Mike, you made the claim "God created man."

I'll settle for a shred of evidence.
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You guys are once again resorting to a straw man fallacy in addressing my posts. I have never said that evolution does not exist. That is an assumption on both of you. What I said was man was created by God as a separate species. and it appears from your answers that you cannot refute that fact. Or you would have.

And please, don't bring up science models. We all know now that science cannot answer questions with certainty.
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May 19 2009, 06:43 PM
You guys are once again resorting to a straw man fallacy in addressing my posts. I have never said that evolution does not exist. That is an assumption on both of you. What I said was man was created by God as a separate species. and it appears from your answers that you cannot refute that fact. Or you would have.

And please, don't bring up science models. We all know now that science cannot answer questions with certainty.
Mike, it's not a straw man to claim you said God created man, for the simple and obvious reason that that is what you said.

You said "God created man."

Now you say "man was created by God as a separate species".

As for evolution, yes, you did say man did not evolve when you argued "The issue seems to be whether a man evolved or is a separate species."

You stated it as either/or. And your other statements say you side with creation, and not evolution.

The challenge here, Mike, is for you to back up your assertions.

Like I said, even a shred of evidence would do. It would provide something to discuss. Rather than your constant diversions into false accusations we're arguing straw men.

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May 19 2009, 08:43 PM
Mike
May 19 2009, 06:43 PM
You guys are once again resorting to a straw man fallacy in addressing my posts. I have never said that evolution does not exist. That is an assumption on both of you. What I said was man was created by God as a separate species. and it appears from your answers that you cannot refute that fact. Or you would have.

And please, don't bring up science models. We all know now that science cannot answer questions with certainty.
Mike, it's not a straw man to claim you said God created man, for the simple and obvious reason that that is what you said.

You said "God created man."

Now you say "man was created by God as a separate species".

As for evolution, yes, you did say man did not evolve when you argued "The issue seems to be whether a man evolved or is a separate species."

You stated it as either/or. And your other statements say you side with creation, and not evolution.

The challenge here, Mike, is for you to back up your assertions.

Like I said, even a shred of evidence would do. It would provide something to discuss. Rather than your constant diversions into false accusations we're arguing straw men.

I should have been more specific. Man is a unique species. Evolution appears to have occurred in some species.

God appears to use evolution in His creations. And I would never suggest or imply that God is limited or to fully understand how or why He works the way He does.
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We're getting somewhere.

Still, you said, "God created man."

Do you have a shred of evidence for this?

Can you even define what you mean by the words?
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Yes I stated that God created man. the evidence i back this up with is three fold.

1. Testimony by written word as contained in the bible.

2. Testimony of multitudes of witnesses.

3. My personal relationship and interaction with God.

4. By the fact that man exists.

5. And the fact that no other rational explanation proves differently.

Now of course I would consider any facts you have to dispute the above.
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1, 2, 3 are all subjective. Evidence is objective.

4 does not imply God. We exist. Why assume God created us?

5 is a false dichotomy. Unless you're saying there is no known explanation, and you call that lack of explanation, the unknown, God.
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Personally I prefer the idea of a common ancestor with monkeys. Than that whole Adam and Eve myth. Just another ploy in a patriarchal system to lay blame on the females.
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Beg to differ. In the second Genesis story, Adam comes out looking like a Neanderthal, so to speak, lol. Eve's the thinker, she makes a choice, he just follows the leader, first God, then Eve, even though he is depicted as leader by coming first.

There are arguments, I vaguely recall, that the first Genesis story is matrilinear, and so the two stories record a transition from that to patrilinear.
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Yes I stated that God created man. the evidence i back this up with is three fold.

1. Testimony by written word as contained in the bible.

2. Testimony of multitudes of witnesses.

3. My personal relationship and interaction with God.

4. By the fact that man exists.

5. And the fact that no other rational explanation proves differently.

Now of course I would consider any facts you have to dispute the above.
I believe when you have enough witnesses testifying to the same set of facts, that their subjective experience becomes objective. Thousands of years has presented us with enough testimony.

And then if one were to compare this to any alternative suggestions, the weight of evidence becomes overwhelming. Yet I admit that there are still skeptics. LOL.
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