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| Mike | May 18 2009, 10:03 PM Post #11 |
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But Chris, science came after creation and after religious faith. The nature of us all is the same in one regard. We were all created by God, our bodies and our minds. We then use the minds to explain our existence. With science, some attempt to rationalize away their very creation. I find that odd. Kind of like a GM truck in a cartoon, telling the other trucks around him that he was the result of some cosmic accident, not the factory. I find that absurd. What I view as irrational is for folks to dispute and reject thousands of years of personal testimony and eye witness accounts of a variety of miracles. But, as the Lord Jesus revealed... folks will reject the miracle of a man raising from the dead and dispute Moses. Heck, St. Thomas doubted after traveling with Jesus. But i still think it is irrational, yet obviously a human trait. |
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| ngc1514 | May 18 2009, 10:16 PM Post #12 |
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And Catholicism and Christianity (not the same thing if you ascribe to breezy's opinion of the Church) came after paganism, Buddhism, Confucianism. What is the significance of the chronological sequence of events?
Evidence?
No scientist is attempting to "rationalize away their very creation." "God did it" tells us nothing useful. The blind watchmaker is such a limp argument, Padre. Science is not predicated on what you might find absurd. That's YOUR limitation and not science. |
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| the breeze | May 18 2009, 10:30 PM Post #13 |
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Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer; and when this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again next year, as if nothing had ever been written on the subject.” It is therefore prudent, in most of these instances, to ignore these pathetic souls and let them rant on. Rarely have they anything substantive to say, and it is valueless to spend precious time quibbling with them. accept the Bible just as it is, for exactly what it claims to be. dont worry about the theories of the critics. the ingenious and impudent effort of modern criticism to undermine the historical reliability will pass; and the BIBLE ITSELF will stand as the light of the human race to the end of time. pin your Faith to the Bible. its Gods Word. it will never let you down. for men it is the Rock of Ages. trust in its teachings. it works. |
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| Deleted User | May 18 2009, 10:33 PM Post #14 |
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You should at least put quote marks around the words you steal. "Pertness and ignorance" describes the creationist nonsense you post but do not understand. Why do you reject the Bible, breeze? |
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| Mike | May 18 2009, 10:40 PM Post #15 |
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And Catholicism and Christianity (not the same thing if you ascribe to breezy's opinion of the Church) came after paganism, Buddhism, Confucianism. What is the significance of the chronological sequence of events? Catholicism gets its birth as a natural progression from Judaism, which dates back to the beginning of time. Other belief systems and peoples acknowledge a higher order. even though they may have not had the direct attention of God thousands of years ago. So I guess I'm not sure what you mean by chronological sequences.
Evidence? I use my mind to explain my existence in human language terms, as well as the experiences I have with God. The fact that the world exists around me and God relates to me would measure up as prove in most folks books. And for some folks, no amount of proof would suffice. So it boils down I suppose is whether you admit the earth and universe around you exists, whether you exist, and whether you believe something can create itself from nothing makes sense. Or whether you reach out to God. This is not rocket scence but common sense to me.
No scientist is attempting to "rationalize away their very creation." "God did it" tells us nothing useful. You are right, my telling you that God created you and the universe is not useful information in and of itself. But neither is the fact that a dwarf star a million light years away exists. The blind watchmaker is such a limp argument, Padre. Science is not predicated on what you might find absurd. That's YOUR limitation and not science. I don't intentionally use what you might find annoying to explain the obvious. I'm sorry that some people have such difficulty in finding what in my own experience was not that hard. I've read where many non believing scientists, through their explorations come to find the Lord. Heck, there are many paths to the same conclusion. Maybe science itself and those who study it will one day eliminate all doubt in mankind. I think it is great that we have folks who in their experiments bring forth many useful inventions that improve our lives. |
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| Deleted User | May 18 2009, 10:54 PM Post #16 |
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"Catholicism gets its birth as a natural progression from Judaism" Baloney. For one, Judaism does not still recognize Jesus. They are different faiths, not a progression at all. You really ought to spend a little time reading up on what Judaism is, Mike, and not from Catholic eyes, but from Jews. For another, Christianity is just as much a "progression" of Greek mysticism and Roman mythology--just to name two major influences, leaving off the myriad other religions Christianity borrowed from. Challenge, name one thing unique offered by Christianity. I leave the rest of your reply to Eric. |
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| ngc1514 | May 18 2009, 11:39 PM Post #17 |
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I'd like to see the Padre ask breezy whether breezy thinks Catholics are saved, the Roman Church is the "Whore of Babylon" and the pope close to being the anti-christ. |
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| Deleted User | May 18 2009, 11:42 PM Post #18 |
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Breeze thinks Mike's church is a whore. Of course Mike's not save. To breeze, no who doesn't belong to the small offshoot sect called Church of Christ can be saved. Wonder how he knows that? What is a true Christian? Does one exist? |
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| Mike | May 19 2009, 02:25 AM Post #19 |
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And baloney back at you Chris. The Birth of Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and Catholicism was the natural evolution of God's ongoing relationship with His creation. Granted Jews are still struck in the past, but that will one day change as mankind marches forward. I realize that you would rather link Christianity with other belief systems in history, but that is no different then linking Scotch with Coca Cola and saying they are related. Christianity never borrowed from another religion but there are some similarities. If one would follow your line of reasoning, Jesus and His disciples along with His followers made up Christianity. LOL. and all the witnesses staged the miracles that many attest to. You sure do like to reach Chris.. Wow! What a conspiracy. The next thing I know is you will be claiming the universe created itself. LOL. I can't wait to read that scientific theory. |
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