| Few Good Men was an Xbox Live gaming clan and now is a community of friends. We have built our community on friendship and respect, and we ask that you abide by those simple guidelines, along with these rules: No illegal material No naked pics or anything of that nature No board invasions, no planing invasions No harassment or discrimination Be respectful We hope that you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. You may register here: Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| New monkey discovered | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 13 2012, 04:43 PM (1,716 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Sep 13 2012, 11:14 PM Post #31 |
|
Deleted User
|
Indeed. I wasn't trying to imply that it was. Just that subjects such as evolution have a habbit of turning into a "you calling ma god?" sort of thing. |
|
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 13 2012, 11:16 PM Post #32 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
Yes, I definitely concede that talking about evolution can get turned into talking about religion very quickly - that's absolutely not my intention though. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| Luchalma | Sep 13 2012, 11:24 PM Post #33 |
|
Well, it's not a theory. Not in the way the word is used regularly. It's as backed up by evidence as the idea the Earth is round. But in the end, it doesn't really matter what any of us believe. I come here to talk with you guys about games and Baja Blast and lotioning asses. |
![]() HAWT
| |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 13 2012, 11:35 PM Post #34 |
|
I agree with you here. I'm not a big fan of chance as it is, but something that improbably probable is just...it's just a bit beyond my comprehension. I tend to stick to creation as well... But sometimes I wonder about the possibility of our reality just being a reality within the creation of a greater form for the entertainment of other greater forms...kind of like we're an MMORPG or a Skyrim towards a greater power, which in turn perpetuates my occasional solipsistic mindframe. Spoiler: click to toggle Either way, I can't afford to get into a religious debate, considering the belief system I find myself standing behind the most has no scientific or scriptural backing short of "it just makes sense to me." |
![]() |
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 13 2012, 11:36 PM Post #35 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
And this is correct. For some reason, people equivocate "I have a theory that ..." with the actual scientific definition of the word theory. The common use of the word theory is actually weaker than a hypothesis, but a scientific 'theory' is the point you reach way way down the track after you have shit tons of evidence. ie: The theory of relativity The theory of kinetic motion Words have precise meanings in science. For example, 'theory', 'law', and 'hypothesis' don't all mean the same thing. Outside of science, you might say something is 'just a theory', meaning it's supposition that may or may not be true. In science, a theory is an explanation that generally is accepted to be true. A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them, whereas theories do describe things. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 13 2012, 11:46 PM Post #36 |
|
Deleted User
|
Even in science theory doesn't mean proven. Evolution hasn't been proven. It's a theory that has a hundred more theory's to back it up. It's as none proven as the big bang theory. |
|
|
| Prealienking | Sep 13 2012, 11:47 PM Post #37 |
|
Have you of you ever thought about this, or am I alone? How would you react to receiving the knowledge that we are just a smaller realm created by a larger realm? How would society react? Do you think we, as a civilization, would be able to continue on? Mass suicides? Most specifically, how would you all react? Do you think you would fall under the category that believes that reality is just what our brain perceives it to be? That we see, and we hear, and we feel, therefore it is, despite the knowledge that we, by terms we've given to our own entertainment, aren't real. Would you not be able to cope with that? Would you feel like you've lost any purpose in your life? oooooooorrrrrr Maybe, you find more purpose in your life. If we were created for the entertainment of a higher being, then that means that, in some form, you actually have a designated purpose for existing. You exist to entertain a higher being...I'm sure some people would find comfort in that... Also, if we did exist as a form of drama/comedy/romance for a greater universe, just think about all the great things that have happened throughout time. Did a bunch of greater beings throw a party to watch The American Revolution special? Did greater beings cry with us during 9/11, much like we feel empathy for characters during our own movies and TV shows? I wonder if our movies, TV shows, and video games just come off as cheap knock offs of the greater being's stuff, much like we have TV shows that create false brands based on real brands(most notably on Nickelodeon). I don't know what has my mind rattling with these thoughts, but damn did you all bring it all out. |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 13 2012, 11:50 PM Post #38 |
|
I should write a book. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 13 2012, 11:55 PM Post #39 |
|
Deleted User
|
If we discovered we were the tools of a higher being we would probably split into 2 groups. Those that seek to worship these beings and those that seek to discover and study them. |
|
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 13 2012, 11:57 PM Post #40 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
It does however mean that it's not a case of belief or non-belief. It's a case of acceptance or non-acceptance. If you want me to point to laws that support the theory of evolution, let's talk about the laws of thermodynamics.
Let's talk about the first two. I'll paraphrase them: 1. Energy is always conserved, it only transforms, never disappears. 2. The universe constantly moves toward entropy. This means that according to scientific law, The universe in previous states had a lower entropic value, but the actual energy total was precisely equivalent. that means = big bang. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 13 2012, 11:58 PM Post #41 |
|
That's a very good point. (note: I'm referring to us being withing a greater form equivalent of a game or TV show, literally with us within it. Not like an alien race watching us, as evident in South Park. Just thought I should clarify.[/spoiler] |
![]() |
|
| WelcomedDread | Sep 14 2012, 12:00 AM Post #42 |
|
Praise The Sun
|
So an advanced version of the Truman Show? |
| |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 14 2012, 12:00 AM Post #43 |
|
Like, we just found this new type of monkey..... What if this monkey was added in an update...? |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 14 2012, 12:02 AM Post #44 |
|
Yes, actually, that's a fantastic way of putting it. I can't believe I forgot about the Truman Show, man. The way my mind works sometimes. I can remember that Leviathan was a book written by Thomas Hobbes to tell about his theory of social contract and how people should never revolt a government, since tyranny is better than nature...but I can't remember a movie that directly connects to the bullshit I'm currently spewing. |
![]() |
|
| WelcomedDread | Sep 14 2012, 12:02 AM Post #45 |
|
Praise The Sun
|
Well, I want a patch that adds more redheads to my village. MAKE IT HAPPEN! |
| |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 14 2012, 12:05 AM Post #46 |
|
I wonder if we're being controlled by the greater version of EA or the greater version of Valve... |
![]() |
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 14 2012, 12:06 AM Post #47 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
.. and the guy talking about science gets invariably passed over *throws his hands up* |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| DSU | Sep 14 2012, 12:07 AM Post #48 |
|
DATABASE DATABASE
|
You ever read the things here King? ![]() http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealLife I think you'll enjoy it!
|
![]() IT'S TIME FOR DATABASE
| |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 14 2012, 12:07 AM Post #49 |
|
Deleted User
|
Yes Colin that is a good example of a theory. One of the many theory's of the universe' beginning. Being the most popular theory doesn't make it the correct one. |
|
|
| WelcomedDread | Sep 14 2012, 12:08 AM Post #50 |
|
Praise The Sun
|
It's okay, buddy. We may not have the same views, but I'll share my blueberry muffins with you any day. |
| |
![]() |
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 14 2012, 12:09 AM Post #51 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
But I'm not talking about the popularity of any particular theory or law. I am talking about compatibility with mathematics, which is arguably the most pure science we have. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| Prealienking | Sep 14 2012, 12:09 AM Post #52 |
|
I'll favorite it, but I should really be getting to bed, man. I've got to be ready for school tomorrow. AP Government is calling. I've got to show up and be the best, otherwise somebody else would be the best..... and we can't have that. |
![]() |
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 14 2012, 12:13 AM Post #53 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
Concluding our universe started with the big bang based on the laws of thermodynamics is a syllogism. In order to dispute it, you need to either dispute the premises, or assert that the inference from premises to conclusion lacks sequacity. One of those options flies in the face of observation, and the other flies in the face of maths. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| DSU | Sep 14 2012, 12:15 AM Post #54 |
|
DATABASE DATABASE
|
I understand completely man. I remember my good old days back in government. ![]() And the many nights I lost to the demon that is TVTropes. ![]() *Sigh* |
![]() IT'S TIME FOR DATABASE
| |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 14 2012, 12:17 AM Post #55 |
|
Deleted User
|
Colin if Evolution is what science says it is, then why the fuck do dolphins breath air. |
|
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 14 2012, 12:23 AM Post #56 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
Well, it seems you're choosing not to actually respond to any of the points I'm raising.. : / The fact that they breathe air is a sign of their evolutionary origins. Besides, who ever said that evolution was efficient? Evolution doesn't do the best possible job, it does whatever is sufficient for survival. Dolphins and whales survive just fine the way they are. Their only major predator is us, and we've only been hunting them for a very short time. Furthermore, restructuring the entire respiratory system is a major deal. It's not something that just happens. It would require the reorganization of several major organs systems. It's not easy, which is why these things haven't occurred very often. As it is, they have adapted somewhat to allow for marine existence; the relocation of the nostrils/blowhole and their ability to hold their breath for far longer than we can. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 14 2012, 12:27 AM Post #57 |
|
Deleted User
|
So why did every other aquatic animal evolve just fine? |
|
|
| kungfucolin | Sep 14 2012, 12:31 AM Post #58 |
![]()
Sourceror
|
Because Dolphins were not necessarily always aquatic. |
![]() http://twitter.com/coletraincolin ___ http://www.youtube.com/kungfucolin _________________ Play online free HERE | |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Sep 14 2012, 12:35 AM Post #59 |
|
Deleted User
|
They would have struggled on land. And this is the part where you say well they wouldn't have been like how dolphins are now and then I say so why did they evolve in practically the same way as most other aquatic animal except for the breathing and then we just end up in circles. |
|
|
| Deleted User | Sep 14 2012, 12:37 AM Post #60 |
|
Deleted User
|
Or I could say well surely if all life came from one cell that multiplied they all had the same characteristics at one point and therefor the origin of being on land or in water surely makes no difference to evolution and then you rebuttal and once again nothing has been solved. |
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
![]() Our users say it best: "Zetaboards is the best forum service I have ever used." Learn More · Sign-up Now |
|
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · General Discussion · Next Topic » |
| Track Topic · E-mail Topic |
9:47 AM Jul 11
|
Theme Designed by McKee91
Hosted for free by ZetaBoards · Privacy Policy














9:47 AM Jul 11