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| Sun Demon | Sep 26 2012, 05:13 PM Post #31 |
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A recent review that pissed me off: Street Fighter X Tekken got a 9 on gin, and TTT2 got a 7.5. Not that IGN matters, or that 7.5 is even bad, but honestly? TTT2 is lightyears better than SfxT |
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| Resulli | Sep 26 2012, 05:13 PM Post #32 |
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I should clarify that my interest in Onechanbara is not purely the bikini-clad heroine. It's also because of zombies and slashy slashy. It looks like pure mindless, take-it-out-on-zombies fun. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2012, 05:15 PM Post #33 |
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DNF definitely has some obvious faults. The people that make me laugh though are the ones that say its the worst game ever made. Seriously? Either way I had fun with the game and hope to finally finish it someday. |
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| Resulli | Sep 26 2012, 05:16 PM Post #34 |
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I haven't really played much of the earlier games but I had a ton of fun with DNF...until the two-weapons thing became a hassle. Near the end of the game you start needing a third slot at the very least. |
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| Luchalma | Sep 26 2012, 05:25 PM Post #35 |
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The Giantbomb crew is starting to get on my nerves. Watching the Quick Looks these days, it's seeming more and more like "Watch us bitch and complain about this game for 30 minutes". Ryan was always that way, but now it's everybody. Goddamn it, why do people complain so much? Games are freaking amazing! |
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| SoulEnder | Sep 26 2012, 06:02 PM Post #36 |
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| Luchalma | Sep 26 2012, 06:12 PM Post #37 |
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Don't stifle yourself, Soul. Say what you wanna say brother! |
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| SoulEnder | Sep 26 2012, 06:41 PM Post #38 |
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I wanna say that these dudes, short of outright lying about the number of levels in a game or some other factual, provable statistic, are allowed to say what they want. They're not obliged to share your opinion, or feed you justification for liking a game. Two reviewers playing Deadly Premonition are allowed to have completely different experiences with the game. Are there shitty reviews out there? Yes. Godhand's a good example--but only because he played one level. He's allowed to think the characters are bland or that the gameplay was dumb, but he's not qualified to write about a game whose central mechanic--the fighting--improves over time. A reviewer's job is not to list features--there's the back of the box or the Steam page for that. A reviewer's job is not to cater to fanboys, nor is it to stifle his review because a game is "obviously" not perfect. If some asshole wants to give Dark Souls a 1/10, he can, as long as he tells us why he hated the game so much. Hell, he's allowed to hate it for the difficulty--if that detracted from the enjoyment, whether the difficulty is the point of the game or not, he's allowed to say as much. You don't have to agree with him--I certainly wouldn't, as Dark Souls is one of my favorite games of all time--but you nor anyone else has a right to tell him he can't have that opinion. Just like if someone gives Grand Theft Auto 4 a "10"--they can. It's their review, their opinion, and what I want out of a review is brutal, uncensored honesty. I want to know about this specific writer's take on a game, and everything they noticed during their playthrough. If they hated the UI? Tell me. If they loved the dialogue but hated the overall plot? Tell me. If they thought the subject material wasn't treated with any respect, I want to know. If they thought the game provided a raucous good time, I don't expect them to hem and haw about how "this title isn't for everybody." Be effusive, be hyperbolic, but give me your honest opinion of the game. I don't give a damn what "the community" thinks. If someone calls Metroid Prime on its backtracking, because that was an aspect of the game they disliked, let them. If someone gives Zelda an 8.8, they can. If people want to contest those opinions or disagree, that's fine, but nobody has a right to tell anyone else what they can and cannot say about art and entertainment. That drives me up the damn wall. I want an honest review of the game--using the ENTIRE scale. 5 is average, 4 is playable, 3 is ehn, 2 is if you're a fan of the genre, 1 is oh god why, 6 is above average, 7 is yessir, 8 is you wanna play this game, 9 is whooboy and 10 is why haven't you bought this twice? Alright? Why are we using a scale that ignores half of itself? Because of fanboy bullshit politics and it's driving me insane. Drop the bullshit. Drop comparing reviews to other sites. Drop trying to agree with people. Give me your own, full, distinct opinion. Anything else is a waste of my damn time. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2012, 06:50 PM Post #39 |
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To be honest I don't think I could dissagree more Soul. Me and you are destined to dissagree on things it seems but I always appreciate the way you share your opinion. |
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| Luchalma | Sep 26 2012, 06:59 PM Post #40 |
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I don't think I could agree with you any more, Soul. People just want their preconceived opinions parroted back to them.
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| Deleted User | Sep 26 2012, 07:24 PM Post #41 |
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Everyone has their own take on what a review should be or include. The only solution to this is to have a reviewing system for the reviewers. |
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| Luchalma | Sep 26 2012, 08:09 PM Post #42 |
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What do I get, guys? I think I should get a 10/10. |
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| Resulli | Sep 26 2012, 08:16 PM Post #43 |
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Aru gets a you're-a-terrible-mother/10 Honestly I agree with Soul on one particular point: The grading scale. People who say a game that scored 7-8 is average and anything below is unplayable? Either entitled little bitches or people who wanna sound all cynical and "cool" say it. There is a rare few who truly only play 8 and up games because they want to pick and choose what they play to be the best, the rest are just using that as an excuse to call a game crap they didn't like regardless of standards. |
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| Sun Demon | Sep 26 2012, 08:31 PM Post #44 |
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Oh god, my dipshit of a roommate thinks Madden 13 is better than Jet Set HD, DMC HD, Tekken Tag 2, and Transformers FoC all because of IGN's scoring of those games. He says they're bad cause they didnt get above an 8. |
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| SoulEnder | Sep 27 2012, 09:00 AM Post #45 |
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There are so many problems with the review scale, and the idea that all opinions are going to be the same, or that there's anything resembling an objective standard in video gaming. There's just not. Absolutely everybody will experience different games in different ways--there are people out there who enjoyed Superman 64. Who are we to tell them, what, they weren't actually having fun? Who are we to tell your roommate, SunDevil, that he's not having a better experience with Madden 13 than TTT2? What gives us the right to give other people opinions of their own when their experiences are so different from ours? There simply is no objective standard. It doesn't exist in any way. Two people reviewing the same game, played in the same conditions for the same amount of time, will write different reviews. The "classic" RE titles are a good example: I despise them, HeLeeHam loves them. Hell, some of the reasons he loves the games are the same reasons I hate them so much. We both played the same games (I completed 1, 2, and CVX) but got different things out of it because our definition of "fun" and what we want out of our entertainment are two completely separate (and diverting) opinions--both of which are valid. Some people will love Dragon's Dogma for the combat and bevy of things to do; others will find the barebones story ruins the game for them. Both groups are entitled to their opinion. Think about that phrase: entitled to one's opinion. Opinions are not facts--they're fluid and often changing conclusions we reach about things after reviewing the facts. The facts are the game controls this way, the graphics look that way, and this is the art style. Your opinion comes into play when you discuss whether or not these things do it for you. That's what I want a reviewer to do--to look at the package and tell me in no uncertain terms whether or not this game was fun. Opinion = bias = perspective, so yes, the review's always going to be biased. ALL journalism is biased. Some people are just better at hiding it than others, and in reviews? You shouldn't hide it. It gives me a better context for your opinion. Most points I will agree to disagree with, but this one strikes a nerve, because a lot of it comes down to telling a reviewer what they can or can't write, and that--no. Just no. They can score a game what they wish--regardless of what other reviewers are giving it, regardless of what any given fan or non-fan thinks about the game, that reviewer's opinion is their own and none of us have the right to dictate said appraisal. I'll be damned if anyone's going to tell me what I can and can't think. Get that George Orwell nonsense outta here.[/i] Edited by SoulEnder, Sep 27 2012, 09:00 AM.
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| Sun Demon | Sep 27 2012, 09:14 AM Post #46 |
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No, I agree with every single one of your points. I actually love Madden for what it is, but the fact he called Transformers and FoC bad..because of IGN's score, of all places.. |
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| SoulEnder | Sep 27 2012, 09:21 AM Post #47 |
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Well, while all people are entitled to their opinions, you can certainly hope they try to inform themselves first. |
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| Sun Demon | Sep 27 2012, 09:26 AM Post #48 |
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I try my best, thing is, my roommie is one of the dullest kids I have ever met. Nice guy, really nice guy. But I feel like I'm living in Rain Man. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 27 2012, 09:35 AM Post #49 |
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The review for Alien Vs Predator (latest one), in the US game informer, was so minute, poorly written and almost sounded like the guy had never played the game. I even looked into his gamertag and PSN, and there was no trace of the game around the time of the review, but there were games from the times of other reviews. made me a bit obsessive but it really pissed me off to have people laughing at me (particularly on gamefaqs because i was so pumped for it). THEN, Australian Game Informer used that review as their review on it. so at the convention where I met Pitchford, I got to meet the editor of Game Informer and gave him a piece of my mind, too. he profusely apologised, which was nice at the time. I actually got told by my Ops Manager, to stop speaking up (one of my traits at EB) But yeah, that one particular review really set me off. Just because of how unprofessional it was. |
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| Gabrius | Sep 27 2012, 09:58 AM Post #50 |
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10/10 is thrown around WAY too much when it comes to game ratings. In the 30+ years that I've been gaming, there are a small handful of titles that I would say were near perfect, but I would be remiss to even give any of those 10's. The one that pisses me off more than any, though? IGN's 10/10 rating of GTAIV. Don't get me wrong, here - GTAIV is a technical marvel - Liberty City is beautiful, and feels alive. As someone who grew up going into NYC on an extremely regular basis, they captured the essence of The City better than anyone else ever has. The characters are interesting and deep, and it is an absolute blast to play - offline or online. But those guys at IGN? They had their 10's all ready to go months before the game released... or at least it seemed like that when I read & watched the reviews. The game has some flaws (ALL games have flaws), but they were going out of their way to ignore them all... and then you have my favorite line ever uttered in a review - OSCAR-CALIBER DRAMA. Really? REALLY?! ...makes me wonder when the last time any of these jobbers actually sat down and watched a halfway decent movie. |
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| Hed | Sep 27 2012, 10:01 AM Post #51 |
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Plenty of publications make a note that a 10 out of 10 is not a perfect game. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 27 2012, 10:02 AM Post #52 |
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IMO, and I love GTA IV to bits, but a game like Sleeping Dogs is more worthy of having a 10 slapped on it, than GTA IV was. |
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| Gabrius | Sep 27 2012, 10:06 AM Post #53 |
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I know this. It's an incredibly stupid notion, IMO. ...but the universe would collapse if they tried applying common sense to the matter, as there would be massive amounts of butthurt if average games started getting 5's and 6's instead of 7-9's. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 27 2012, 10:08 AM Post #54 |
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the 10 rating has definitely watered down the rest of the ratings. I mean, I find it mind boggling that people get up in arms when a game gets 8.8/10.....seriously. |
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| Luchalma | Sep 27 2012, 10:10 AM Post #55 |
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I'm against the idea that 10/10 should be an almost unattainable holy grail. If a game is a master work, it deserves a 10/10. I'd give Portal 2, Bioshock, Uncharted 2, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, Mario Galaxy 2, Mass Effect 2, and Assassin's Creed 2 10/10's.
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| Luchalma | Sep 27 2012, 10:13 AM Post #56 |
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That brings me to what I was going to say. The reaction to Twilight Princesses 8.8 score pissed me off. The fanboys decided "No. That's not the score we know this game deserves." even though they hadn't played the fucking game. That's the reaction to every bad review. Everybody has already decided that the games they are looking forward to are 10/10's, so any low review is just the reviewer being an idiot. The funny thing is, most Zelda fans would rate TP lower, in hindsight. |
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| Hed | Sep 27 2012, 10:16 AM Post #57 |
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That's why I ignore the score. |
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| Luchalma | Sep 27 2012, 10:17 AM Post #58 |
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That's why I give nonsense scores. |
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| Gabrius | Sep 27 2012, 10:24 AM Post #59 |
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I love your rating system, Zach... I wish all sites and reviewers adopted a system that was all their own. I have more interest in what they're saying than some arbitrary number, anyways. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 27 2012, 10:28 AM Post #60 |
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if and when I review games, i just give my opinion out of 10 ie great/10 not as bad as they're saying/10 worth it if you like the genre/10 alot of fun/10 |
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