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Ever thought Dubstep was great? Me neither.
Topic Started: Jun 5 2012, 07:27 AM (1,442 Views)
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However, I thought I'd share this fucking amazing cover of "First of the Year"

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I still don't know what dubsteb is to this day. Don't worry about explaining it to me anyone, I don't care.

Here is my biggest influence on bass when I was younger (still today):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrav_MSMjNs (8:20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfSbwFZpKbo
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Oh boy, we're talking about WubWub now?
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Quote: I still don't know what dubsteb is to this day. Don't worry about explaining it to me anyone, I don't care.

A million times, ^this. Goes the same for the word 'Hipster' as well.
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Gorilla that is some seriously funky shit.
Gabrius: yes - that's the shit I'm talking about - and the video I linked is someone turning that shit into metal.
Focian: Have you ever heard your trash compactor jam, and then come unstuck, and then jam again? That's Dubstep.
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Haven't heard that before, but I imagine it sounds somewhat similar to the Terminator being crushed in the first film. Cool, cheers bud!

And Hipster?
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I've always enjoyed this definition of hipster:

Hipster

Definitions are too mainstream.
Hipster's can't be defined because then they'd fit in a category, and thus be too mainstream.
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Hipster is a catch-all phrase to describe "those who conform to non-conformism" SO, it's not about true non conformism, it's simply about hating those popular things that it is popular to hate.

Someone who talks about how much they hate Justin Bieber? likely a hipster.
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Heh... Heh.

Nothing to do with mainstream, but I despise people putting anyone into categories and thus negating what they have to offer as an individual. Not just for myself, but also when aimed at others.

Ah well, not the end of the world if I am lumped into that group.
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Conforming to non-conformism?! Haha, that is just as blind as going along with whatever the crowd says. Worse, in fact, because you're pandering to the kneejerk reaction rather than the comfort of social conformity.
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Jun 5 2012, 07:54 AM
Conforming to non-conformism?! Haha, that is just as blind as going along with whatever the crowd says. Worse, in fact, because you're pandering to the kneejerk reaction rather than the comfort of social conformity.
You understand precisely.
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Cool. The only image I had in my head when people brought it up in the past was this:

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I have no idea who that is, but the Beret fits. Replace the shades with Lennon Glasses, and you are onto something.
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Never seen Doug? An old cartoon I used to watch as a kid.
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The guys I used to produce D&B, house, trance, etc with are now all Dubstep DJ's/producers... honestly they should've all just went pop and completed the lame transformation.
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Aw, come on, guys. There's some pretty excellent dubstep out there, just like there's excellent examples of every genre.

Look up Ephixa and his Zelda mixes. They're pretty amazing, in my humble estimation.
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There's some great pop music as well, Soul... but the other 99% of it sucks.
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Fair point. I dunno, I see stuff like "[entire genre of music here is terrible]" and I get all twitchy. It's a reflex.
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Jun 5 2012, 08:49 AM
Look up Ephixa and his Zelda mixes. They're pretty amazing, in my humble estimation.
The only remotely interesting parts of his music are the bits he stole from Koji Kondo.
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Maybe I'm just easy to please, but that Song of Storms remix serves as my morning alarm, and his music routinely finds its way into my workout/driving. I dunno. I enjoy melodic dubstep as much as I do anything else (and I mean anything. I listen to everything under the sun.)
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Good music is good music. But good music will transcend a genre known for generic, samey, cookie-cutter-ness.

Hell, there are a few country songs that I really enjoy.
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Jun 5 2012, 09:16 AM
melodic
Ok, don't you think it's ironic that the melody you are enjoying was written by someone else?

This is pretty much my take on Dubstep:
does some of it sound ok? sure.
do I consider Dubstep "DJ's" to be musicians? No.

Dubstep DJ's are to musicians as photoshoppers are to Artists.

ie: Can I create some cool looking picture? Sure. Am I comparable to an actual fucking Artist? No. A motherfucker who can't paint or draw is not an artist, and a motherfucker that can't play a musical instrument is not a musician.
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Jun 5 2012, 09:23 AM
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Jun 5 2012, 09:16 AM
melodic
Ok, don't you think it's ironic that the melody you are enjoying was written by someone else?

This is pretty much my take on Dubstep:
does some of it sound ok? sure.
do I consider Dubstep "DJ's" to be musicians? No.

Dubstep DJ's are to musicians as photoshoppers are to Artists.

ie: Can I create some cool looking picture? Sure. Am I comparable to an actual fucking Artist? No. A motherfucker who can't paint or draw is not an artist, and a motherfucker that can't play a musical instrument is not a musician.
We're going to have to agree to disagree there, friend. The same basic skills are involved--a sense of rhythm, understanding pitch and tone, so on--in arranging music as in creating the individual pieces themselves.

A good photoshop "artist" still has to understand what looks pleasant to the eye--they can't just slap a bunch of things together and expect to have a visually pleasing/striking/affecting result.

In the same vein, a dubstep DJ can't just throw a bunch of music together and expect it to work (though many of them, admittedly, try.) It still has to have a flow, and the DJ still has to understand how music works in order to piece together anything worth listening to.

Art's art, in my opinion, and music's music--and the people who create art are artists, regardless of how good they are. People who create music--be it through piecing together samples and beats in the same way a guitarist pieces together chords, or by playing any number of instruments--are musicians, regardless of how good they are. The level of quality is subjective; the designation isn't, in my mind.

Then again, the extent of my musical ability lies somewhere between spoken word poetry and the occasional musical, so maybe I'm just shooting off at the mouth here.
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copy and pasting other people's music together, and applying sound filters does not a musician make.
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Jun 5 2012, 09:36 AM
copy and pasting other people's music together, and applying sound filters does not a musician make.
In my limited experience with dubstep DJs, that's not exactly the process entirely...

Ooh, okay. Let me try this.

You ever seen this video?



36 people based their music off of the same chord progression. There's examples of this everywhere in traditional music--Pachelbel's "Canon" has worked its way into everything.

Now, the argument could be made that at least they're playing the chord themselves, but I still maintain that you have to have the same ear for music when you're arranging it as when you're making it.

I mean, are graphic designers who lay out pages, brochures, design web sites--are these guys not talented, skilled individuals too?
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As someone who has been behind the decks... yeah, not all DJ's should be considered musicians. Some of them just play tracks, perhaps beatmatch a bit. Yeah, the guy doing weddings and bar mitzvahs? Not really a musician.

Someone like DJ Qbert though? Don't even try and tell me the dude isn't a musician.

Also, I gotta agree with Soul on the overall definitions of art and music. Just because I can't play any traditional instruments and am crap with the brush and canvas means nothing. I still consider myself both an artist and a musician.
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Jun 5 2012, 09:36 AM
copy and pasting other people's music together, and applying sound filters does not a musician make.
So the vast majority of all hip-hop wouldn't be considered music according to your standards?

Guess what, Colin - people with this mindset were saying the same thing about Van Halen when they inroduced synths into their tracks, too.
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Well, at this point the argument has become a semantic one.
Disagreeing over definitions, not concepts.

I just dislike people taking credit for shit that ain't theirs.
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Jun 5 2012, 09:54 AM
Well, at this point the argument has become a semantic one.
Disagreeing over definitions, not concepts.

I just dislike people taking credit for shit that ain't theirs.
I know on the rare occasions that I've recorded something with a beat, I make sure the beat maker's name is listed. I can agree that Dubstep DJs ought to list what they sample somewhere, maybe on the album.
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Jun 5 2012, 09:54 AM
Well, at this point the argument has become a semantic one.
Disagreeing over definitions, not concepts.

I just dislike people taking credit for shit that ain't theirs.
Who's taking credit for something that isn't theirs?

You DO realize that ANY sample over 3 seconds long has to be cleared by the original artist or be in violation of copyright infringement, right?

Your problem seems to be with those fans that think that everything made by their favorite musician is completely original... when the fact of the matter is that just about EVERYTHING takes inspiration from something earlier.
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