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| Question on Buffs from a non-self-targeting magic | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 27 2015, 09:57 AM (190 Views) | |
| 座 Fumus | Feb 27 2015, 09:57 AM Post #1 |
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・。゜. ヘ(゜Д、゜)ノ
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As it says, she can not create buffs for herself with this magic, but she can place buffs on other people. When I wrote up the magic, I knew she would be able to do this since I had been told her magic is Support-Focused, but I hadn't really thought about what it actually entailed, so I would like some clarification. 1. Do I still have to use a technique option for the first of the "Make the range of your buff 'by touch' (single target) / short range / medium range / long range" chain? Or can I start with a buff already being able to single target someone else by touch without using a tech option (and then use tech options to further increase the range)? 2. Since her buffs can't target herself, do the sacrificial buff restrictions still apply to All-Stat buffs? 3. A more generalized question: At rank five of a triple-stat buff (+12/+12/+11), if you use the sacrificial option, does that mean the max you can sacrifice would be 8sp of one stat in order to +3 +3 +2 the other three stats)? I wondered that buff stuff would still apply regularly no matter what her magic is, but I wanted to make sure. Edited by Fumus, Feb 27 2015, 12:15 PM.
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| 栄 LibertyGear | Feb 27 2015, 03:28 PM Post #2 |
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Hello fellow buffer :P I'm well familiarized with the buff rules so i will trying helping you out. 1 - you can't start with touch range , even if she cant buff herself, cause that would basically just give you a extra option for something that really doesnt affect the buff that much. Since buffs have a limited number of targets (4 at max with all the options for it), a normal buff mage would be able to target 4 other people, or himself and other 3 (This still applies to your mage even if she can only target on person). Ultimately something as not being able to target yourself isnt much of a handicap since she can still be buffed by other means, basically giving you an extra option point for free. 2 - i dont see what you mean by this. the sacrificial buff applies to her targets, not being able to target herself as little meaning in this case. And what do you mean by restrictions? reducing a stat by 2 points for an extra point on another, basically, if you sacrafice then entirety of the points in one stat on an all stat buff, you get the same as a triple stat buff. The rule is there to help people understand how to make buffs that dont affect all stats in the same way, and give some minor limits so no one goes crazy. 3 - Close but you got it the other way around. Quoting the rules "The maximum extra stat points you can get is equal to 1/4 the buff's base amount, where base refers to the numbers seen in the tables in the rules before any changes applied to them.", meaning you can get a maximum of 8 extra sp on a triple buff. As such, you can have something like a buff that gives, +16/+16/-5. (you can have a +15/+15/-1 triple stat instead of a +15/+15 double stat buff XD) Extra example Buff magic allows for a lot of customization if you are playing a T1 magic. Stat buffs themselves cant have much difference since they are the same for T3 basic techs. The sigil idea seems fun but I would advice you to branch away from simple stat buffs if you want something unique, as getting very different stat buffs that are unique will be more of a cosmetic thing than a meaningful one. (Buffs are not limited to stats) Bare in mind that im no librarian (yet :P) so there might be some minor things that can actually be changed, but im reasonably sure stat buff techs will be limited to this generalization for the time being. Hope i was able to help. Edited by LibertyGear, Feb 27 2015, 04:03 PM.
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| 座 Fumus | Feb 28 2015, 09:58 AM Post #3 |
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Thanks for the help! 1. Understandable. 2. I had been under the assumption that the sacrifice affected the caster, not the target. Having this clarified answered the question. 3. Oh so "base amount" meant the total amount, when involving the 1/4 maximum limit. I thought it meant each stats' increase (keeping the ex. with the r5 12/12/11 triple buff: 3 from 12, 3 from 12, 2 from 11 rounded down), but the math ends up the same anyway haha. About what you mentioned with the +16/+16/-5 though. Wouldn't the buff become +16/+16/+11/-16, since the sacrifice debuff can only affect an unaffected stat of a buff? Otherwise, yeah everything is understandable in concept. When I made that sigil magic, I tacked on buff availability since having the option for them seemed okay (admittedly it might have been a "because i can :o" moment), but ye I'm focusing on those other buffity buff buff stuff ayyyy thank. |
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| 栄 LibertyGear | Feb 28 2015, 11:48 AM Post #4 |
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I dont really know about that myself, but for what i gathered from the rules, the single, double, triple and all stat buffs are named that cause they effectively affect just that number of stats. If you sacrifice an unaffected stat like you mention on a triple stat buff, it would just become an all stat buff, which then would mean you would be breaking the sacrfice buff rule in the first place since the sacrificed stats would be -36, it would also make the 1/4 limit rule kinda pointless in some situations. But dont quote me on this, i might be wrong. Edited by LibertyGear, Feb 28 2015, 11:49 AM.
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| 御 Cloud | Mar 1 2015, 02:05 AM Post #5 |
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Who you calling chocobo head...
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The idea of sacrificial buffs if that you pick an unaffected stat so you stop the unusual situation of having say, a 3 stat buff that is better then a 2 stat buff, having the 3rd stat you boost eating the sacrifice penalty to boost the other two. That and it would plain stupid to have a buff boost the stat it also burns, just, no. Luckily that's not just the ramblings of an ex-admin but actually the case in the rules. Also for what it's worth a double stat buff that sacrifices another stat is still a double stat buff, you don't get even more SP. This also means a triple stat buff that sacrifices the 4th asides from remaining a triple stat buff is also legal (and the only legal way to make a triple buff with a sacrifice). Edited by Cloud, Mar 1 2015, 02:09 AM.
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