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Gender Equality?; I think not
Topic Started: Mar 9 2014, 06:04 AM (708 Views)
Spider-Jay
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I have noticed in my days of school that we lack gender equality, for example when a girl hits a boy and the boy hits her back he turns into the bad guy, HE gets in trouble. For instance in my computer art class this girl out of no where just punches this guy Charles in the eye, so Charles smacked her back on instinct. Later after the girl was sent to the office Mr.Castle the counselor came down and pulled Charles out i over heard them and he said something like this. "Your not supposed to hit a girl, even if she hits you, you have to walk away and tell the teacher" Charles: "It was self defense" Mr.Castle: "I don't care you never should hit a girl in any circumstance so i'll be calling your mother when i have the chance"

Is this gender equality, i see all the time women (mainly) complaining about how this is sexist and that is sexist and how they want to be treated equal, well in my opinion this is not gender equality, if it was a guy there would have been no problem, but sense it is a girl there is one.

Tell me if you agree and explain (if) you disagree.
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Darion
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There is an old Swedish saying that goes like this:

Om du är med i leken, så får du tåla steken.

Now, in all laziness I will not translate it wordly, but is basically means that i.e in this case, that if you hit someone, then you better be prepared for a retaliation. And if you are not, then you should not have punched the guy in the first place.
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Snow
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What Darion said. Also, welcome to the world of today.

If some chick punched me, assuming it was completely random and unprovoked then she'll probably get a punch back.

If women want equal rights, which they do and fair enough, then they get both the positive and the negative, like in this example they may end up with a black eye or broken nose etc etc. There's none of this 'superiority' bullshit or whatever.

It's taught in school that 'you should never hit a girl' which is a 50/50 thing. It teaches the boy to be the good guy so to say and take the morale high ground, a sort of first step to be a gentleman, which is as about useful as a pig in mud. However, it's also 'teaching' them that girls get special treatment. Which is basically a whole load of 'what, what, what'.

Since chances are this kid you mentioned, Charles, was his name Charles? I'm using fast reply and can't be bothered scrolling up to check. He's called Charles, ok? Ok. His mother would, or rather should be, angry that some random kid punched her son in the eye regardless of the fact that it was a girl. Now, this is where things get interesting since little miss punches-people-in-the-eye for no reason is gonna get an ass kicking from her parents. So it sort of plays out in the equality scene, but doesn't really.

Basically, schools are asswits when it comes to eqaulity.
Edited by Snow, Mar 9 2014, 12:14 PM.
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Fumus
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Equality =/= Fairness

In America, American society, the general overview of the people, read: people not person, is that females (usually starting at and of a younger age) are viewed on a higher pedestal in terms of delicacy, among other things, regardless of how subjective or factual an individual may call the view out on.

Differences in culture should also be accounted for, since each child/person grew up from various environments, be they the neighborhood, the family, or even other people and "cliques" from/in the learning facility (aka within your school). This also includes being around those of either the same or different genders, and thus those individuals' view on people of the same and different genders that have been continuously reinforced or torn down throughout each individuals' lives and learning.

And then, also those outside of the immediate family/household that a person lives with that teaches them stuff, whether slowly by media or even a simply word or two from those of higher status that have been ingrained to be trusted the word of, such as teachers or staff and the like, even seniors or anyone remotely respectful to said person. Of course, at that point, the youngins would be listening to someone or someones of an older generation, which then ties a lot of the older viewpoints (of or related to American history) regarding females and males.

Basically, you get a train wreck of different view points, sometimes subtle sometimes obvious.

Now, with the whole punching thing, another factor to consider is the information gathering itself, the receiver of the information, the viewer of the information, the accounts and recounts, and the like. As you said in your example, a girl came out of no where and punched Charles.

The fact that you gave Charles' name and not the girl's is implying that Charles is a friend, or an acquaintance, or at least someone of more significance to you than the random girl. Saying "for no reason" is also leading the situation as if Charles had done nothing wrong, which may or may not be true, or he somehow inadvertently pissed off Random Girl without even realizing it, which prompted her to punch him. Either way, the main focus of your question deals less of the reasoning/build up and more of the result.

Self-defense is allowed in most [American] schools. Apparently not all, since your school, or at least this one incident relayed by you, has issues with it regarding the little details. The boy, Charles, should not have been the only one to have his parents called. Did the girl also get a phone call to her parents? Not saying anything about it is misleading and makes it sound like only the boy was scolded, at the very least.

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What was told to him, the whole "you're not supposed to ever", to me is okay in the basic concept of "violence shouldn't be the fallback means", assuming that's what Castle was aiming for, but wrong in wording and general application. Hella wrong, or the better terms would be extremely negative, more detrimental than helpful in the long run, highly regressive to the "years of moving toward a more equal viewpoint", take your pick. It's basically demeaning him for performing what he thought would have been the "correct" choice of action, which adds to the little damages that may or may not build up as he grows older, and this in turn will also affect others in a negative fashion, negative referring to having a stiff, inflexible mindset. It's not gender equality; it is that particular man's "lesson", most likely told to Charles just as Castle had been taught, and therefore he is also trying to share regardless of opinion. Harsh, but it may even be something as subconscious as: "Because I was taught this, I will teach it, because if what I have been taught was wrong, then I have been wrong my entire life, and I am not willing to admit that."
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I'm not even going to touch the generalization of your woman-sexist talk correlation. Actually, just one thing. If they know what they stand for, they would also jump on what is being forced upon the boy. I'm not going to say anything about the girl because you gave too little information on her side.

TL;DR
Schools, if headed by people with older, limiting views of Male and Female roles and prefer to stick to them with a firm, iron mallet, can be breeding grounds for innocent idiocy and second-hand embarrassment.

I *'d the paragraph that includes the answer to your oh so simple question.
This is really informal and more of a word vomit than anything.
Edited by Fumus, Mar 9 2014, 10:59 AM.
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Spider-Jay
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The girls name is Allea or something like that but what i do know is that Charles had just walked in just said hi to me and just got punched in the face at that time, but i also know according to Charles she started laughing after the incident and to make thing worse she has hit him before but not in the face or eye.

Also when i asked Mr. Castle about this he said it is because men are naturally stronger than women, and there for have to take care of and/or protect females, this being and undeniable fact (in most cases) brings me to the question, should females be treated completely equal to a man. Now job wise and rights wise yes but socially no, another example is when your around guys or girls. Maybe it's just me but around guys i make a lot more jokes that aren't necessarily appropriate, and we talk about stuff you wouldn't say in front of your mother. Now when i am with girls the jokes are clean(er) and we (I) am not as vulgar as i am with my male friends.
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I remember when this ratchet girl at school was all up in this guy's face cursing him out. She popped him in the mouth and he mollywopped her across the hall
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Grond
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I shall only say this: Equality, as Snow rightly said, has upsides and downsides. If women think they are not equal and want to be, they should not whine or complain if they are treated as roughly as men in some cases. If they do not want to be treated harshly, they should be then prepared to enjoy the attention of the chivalrous and the bullshit of the chauvinist.

'Nuff said.
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Your Queen Levy
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Equality? What a joke.

Goes both ways- better prepare when you talk shit or do something stupid.

But would you go full force on a woman that just pushed you? Biologically, men are stronger than women. I'm all for self defence and protecting yourself but, there's a difference b/w protecting yourself and full out knocking some girl out b/c she was acting out.

Let's hope people can control themselves.

Talk shit, get hit, but it better be reasonable. Unless your life is at risk then go for it.

-Kinda related but just have respect for each other- It's a huge turn off when you're sexist. Surprise.

And lmao @ "special treatment". I'm only special because I'm flawless. Everyone else is a train wreck.
Edited by Your Queen Levy, Jun 9 2016, 02:32 AM.
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