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Abortion - Yes or No?
Topic Started: May 18 2011, 10:41 PM (2,883 Views)
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my main problem with pro-life is that once that thing is out there pro-lifers go "screw you" and dont care if they live a bad life after that. Thats not pro-life thats just a wish to control other, like people inventing a big goat in the sky to tell us how to eat grass. :P

and to the abortion thing, free will, free choice, our body, our right. Until that thing has clear brain activity its nothing more than a friendly natural tumor. Its the same as NOT having a kid before you even have sex, when does it stop? Is every man who has a quick little one in the toilet a mass murderer cause potential life was wasted? Is every women who has more than 1 period a phsyco-killer? No And we can go further. What about the carbon atoms? Life couldn't be possible without! We dont stop burning coal etc. because its full of life-making nomminess do we? Nope.

Unless its clearly alive -proven by science not stupidity induced beliefs and again, brain activity else its just a tumor-

Besides pro-life shouldn't be based human only then should it? I dont see bumper stickers "i break for advanced brain cancer" or "save the swine flu!" or "dont kill flies, their living beings too!" Why? Cause right to life, pro-life and so forth is manmade wish to control others and have what WE want to have in the world, not what others do. An egoistical, manipulative, thing really :P


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Not related either but listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-cbpQqqRBo
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:12 PM.
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HAHAHA Stray i think you just 'lost' thats a song that yes mocks christianity a bit by useing the same tune as one christian song
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your the ignorant one now! Thats a song showing the basics of satanism. Which i am, those are my beliefs made in an exxagerated version (however thats spelled haha) so not insulting but rather just showing you others beliefs.

If thats mocking you? Then your severly in need of opening your mind more and get your head out of your own moral and ethics code.

Thanks for showing your no better than any of us when it comes to 'other beliefs' xD
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:12 PM.
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lol one again you are claiming to have the truth without being able to confirm it... that is funny XD

Maybe the satanists can define themselves as you appear to not be one they might have a better idea what they are.

and yeah just want to add I 100% agree to the ceasing of mitosis and evacuation of fetuses from females
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Hoennese and proud!

Stray you still didn't address 2/3 of my points.
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blasphemy of the holy spirit can go suck it for all i care, im going to be open and blunt here. Looked it up and sadly its not worth to give the chance more than this. Quick hint, nobody will listen to anything gathered from silly religious texts, give us some concrete information and proof. Something that is bulletproof to show your beliefs, or its no better than just randomly naming things into god. Credibility over just beliving. Dont be blinded by your own so called light.


I personally belive in what i can see proven, or at the very least if theres nothing that can be proven i wont belive in something as stupid as naming some random thing leader and then beliving that.

In short: a satanist belives in what there is not in what you guess. aka no thanks to "pipedreams"
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Who you calling chocobo head...

Yes, because how dare I tell anyone what to do with their body.

As Tenken said, the medical example was hypothetical; however, one example is pre-eclampsia. In addition to that, there is HELLP syndrome, eclampsia, Rh disease, gestational hypertension, placental abruption, and genetic or environmental factors that may lead to shoulder dystocia or a breech birth in delivery. This list is VERY far from complete, but it does show some of the common problems, and, I hope serves as an example that Tenken isn't pulling that hypothetical out of his ass. In addition there are likely several very rare genetic disorders that would make pregnancy lethal to mum and child.

I can dig up examples if you wish, but, at this point with the above list I don't feel the need too. It is sufficient to say that with 3 billion bases of DNA there are MANY possible genetic disorders, some of which are very rare, and some which may be unique, and any number of them could affect the very dangerous and complex process of pregnancy and child birth.
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with every mention of religion this place gets further and further from the point (its like politics). Look, the yes/no question about abortion is simple. Should men and women be equal in the eyes of the law, and society? If yes, then abortion should be allowed, because until abortion and contraception are completely legal and socially accepted, women are still slaves to their biology and the views of society. On the side of the child, should every child born have the best chance at life with a family who loves them and is in a good position to care for the child? If yes, then say yes to abortion. It's easy to have sex and get pregnant, what is difficult is caring for another human being for two decades.

Also, abstinence is not an effective contraception stray. the drive to have sex is one of the five strongest drives of every human. SEX WILL HAPPEN. Instead use effective contraception like Condoms, the pill, IUDs, Implanon, vascectomy, etc. However mistakes happen, after all we are only human. We forget the pill one morning, or the condom breaks (the other ones mentioned have a much lower failure rate due to the lack of human error) and suddenly the woman finds she is pregnant. whether or not she decides to keep the baby or not, abortion should ALWAYS be an option.

Oh and before anyone says "It's natural to get pregnant have have children". It's also natural for women and their child to die during pregnancy and especially birth. Abortion is FAR safer, especially for teenagers.
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