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Sex Before Marriage - Yes or No
Topic Started: Jan 29 2010, 12:42 PM (6,838 Views)
THEPUNK101
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:14 PM.
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"If you can't disprove it means it is true. If it is true it is a legitimate source."

If we assume that this fallacy is truth then for sure, disprove;

We live in the matrix.
Reincarnation is a reality.
Hinduism.
Islam.
The Dodekatheon.
Aesir.
The egyptian pantheon.
Chulthu.
Druidism.

As Stephen Roberts said:
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

And as you can guess by the above quote, you cant convince me using the words Bible, God, Jesus, Christ, Saviour, Saint, Religion, Soul

And "If I were atheist (or agnostic) and didn't believe God said not to do this then I would do anything. I would lie as long as no one finds out and its beneficial. And murder, slave trading, adultery, cannibalism, and perjury would be okay as long as the circumstances made it more beneficial than harmful." does nothing for your arguments, it just states that you're an ass by nature.
Edited by Vassago, May 18 2011, 01:31 PM.
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prove that pink elephants does not exist, you do not know everything in the world, or are you claiming to now be omniscient? So unless you can disprove my pet elephant with no possible room for it possibly existing please do so, and c'mon this is easy its an elephant, try and disprove it, I dare you, I think you will find it is impossible to disprove, it could be a baby i painted pink :)

And that book is quite often used as a tool of hate and wielded against other groups that are different, so maybe satan is willing to accept the good it does in order to spread chaos.

And so if god can see the future he made humans so that they could then rebel and be permanantly punished, does that sound sick to you as it sounds horrible to me.

My purpose to my life is to live my life, enjoy the experience and spend time with my loved ones.

you also didnt adress the point where you admitted you would lie and steal and be an overall jerk if it was not for god and it is pretty obvious he is not needed to be a nice person so...

Oh I assume you are also a fan of guilty untill proven innocent yes? Any accusation sticks and if they can't prove themselves innocent they are guilty, as well like you said if they can;t disprove the allegation it must be true.
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OK what? :confused:
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Katsu that about sums it up.

I think we've all drifted from the point here (sex before marriage being awesome) and so I'm gonna open a new topic about one of Stray's points he made earlier.
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Tenken: I disagree, since all of Straykey's arguments are religion-based, and he won't argue on a normal level, then for the sake of this discussion we need to establish the idea that religions are personal beliefs and not necessarily truth.


Straykey: I'll keep myself short and on tangent so that you don't riff on the unnecessary parts as usual.


"You cannot disprove a concept. definition of concept is abstract idea. Reincarnation and saying we live in a matrix are concepts. I could disprove the Koran and polytheistic beliefs in general but its not relevant since you're neither a Hindu nor a Muslim. I don't know what the rest of the stuff you said are..."

Nice of you to not even respect other beliefs enough to copy-paste 'em into Wikipedia. What makes the "Matrix" idea more abstract than the "God" idea? And wherever did you get the idea that I'm not Hindu from? And is that relevant?

I am just saying in an atheist worldview the ends justify the means (ex: killing a guy before he kills another is saving a life and slave trading is okay because it helps the economy). And you're right I'm an *** by nature. All us humans are. That is why we need Jesus to save and change us.

That's not atheism. That is douchebaggery. You're assuming that atheists (and agnostics) are without moral fiber and care for their fellow man. That's just sad. And intolerant.

Let's roll with this though. How does this apply to for example muslims? Are they as bad as atheists for believeing in the "wrong" god, are they worse because they believe in the "wrong" god, or are they better for believing in a god whatsoever?

hell, i'll throw in my views of the things you posted to link as well.


Alright I cannot disprove a concept. The Bible however is a book. You can try to find evidence against a book, you can try to find contradictions in the book, or you can try to how some parts of it are morally wrong. However, I don't think you can disprove the Bible and I'm inclined to believe you are too afraid to try.

Let's just turn this around. The Qu'ran is a book, the same genre as yours. Discuss.

give me an acceptable example if you can (about "And that book is quite often used as a tool of hate and wielded against other groups that are different")

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Fairy_Tail_Guild/topic/2853925/1/

actually no he gave them free choice to choose to follow him or choose to live in sin and death. We chose sin and death. Without choice how can love exist? because without free choice we would be forced to love him. Then he died on the cross to save us because he loved us that much and wanted to have a relationship with us.

John 3:16 (New International Version)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


No, you chose to believe we chose sin and death. There is a difference.

You believe in a God, right? would you create a computer for no reason but just to create it? God obviously created us for a purpose and that purpose was to have a relationship with him not to live and have fun.

Nope. So yeah, redundant. This was aimed at Link though, and seems like a personal argument. And you've already said that you're not meant to have fun, you might have meant your definition of "joy" you discussed last page though, so I'll let it slip.

I will repeat what I said to Vassago "I am just saying in an atheist worldview the ends justify the means (ex: killing a guy before he kills another is saving a life and slave trading is okay because it helps the economy)." Also a nice person is not a good person. NICE does not equal GOOD. We can do good things in a not nice way like if a kid was about to get hit by a car and the only way to get him out of the way was to kick him; that is not nice but still good. Without God we will always be sinful and evil people even though we're nice.

A dictionary could tell you that good isn't the same as nice. And there you go with god again, that is your belief, not necessarily truth.

Right I cannot prove the Bible. I admit it. I can give evidence for it but Jesus is the one who proves himself and proves his word to us, but only if you open your heart to him. I will give evidence though if you'd like if so say yes.

Great! Finally, now we can go on with the show. By the way, this open your heart up to jesus thing? isn't that just saying "dude, you gotta believe in something and you will totally believe in it?", seems a little redundant.

Edited by Vassago, May 19 2011, 08:23 AM.
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Sorry but the Bible isn't non-fiction.

Just saying a lot of stuff they put out about historical events have been disproven by carbon dating and relics of history.
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The Bible never says when creation was made so carbon dating and relics are irrelevant because it could be ten thousand to ten billion years ago (according to the Bible). Also carbon dating isn't very accurate and relics don't date very far back.
Edited by THEPUNK101, May 19 2011, 11:17 AM.
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Sorry you cannot goad me, the burden applies to you stray to prove your statement you have not done that. You could not even disprove my ownership of something as absurd as a pink elephant...

So find some evidence otherwise I'm not gonna bother responding.
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