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Sex Before Marriage - Yes or No
Topic Started: Jan 29 2010, 12:42 PM (6,840 Views)
linkrulesx10
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And by hurt I don't mean pain to teach a lesson, will it do more good then harm.

and reason sex is good

sex cures depression
sex makes people feel good
sex is healthy and good for you in many ways from anxiety release to reducing cancer
sex is fun
There is no reason this should only be limited to people who are married as long as there is 2 consenting adults.
Tell me how those points are not true

now to your points

Condoms you are right don't full alleviate the risk, but you also have the pill and other devices that prevent a woman from getting pregnant so using multiple methods at once greatly reduces the chances and well abortions happen and its not for you to judge people for getting an abortion if they need one.

Also on the raising children have you seen the divorce rates for marriage its not like it is the holy thing that is never broken alot of marriages finish rather quickly so there is no guarantee that they will be good parents as well, my dad is married my mum is single *they split* and my mum is the far better parent so that argument kinda sucks just form my experience. Sure there is once again a small group of people who fall into your argument but they are the minority not the majority and they have other issues in their life not just sex before marriage.

Stray and your argument about STI's very simple solution get an STI test BEFORE you have sex, quite simple really its not hard and if you are both clean you don't have to worry.

People can also get addicted to anything from cigarettes to eating couches that is hardly an argument, people can also get addicted to computers SO GET OFF THE COMPUTER STRAY ITS GONNA ADDICT YOU! if you compare the amount of sex addicts out their to normal healthy functional people that have sex before marriage you will see that it is not the demon you are making it out to be.

And one more thing to point out, if the sex isn't good maybe its cause they haven't practiced enough and been open enough about what each other need, if you ask any relationship Councillor, or at least any I have seen and known sex is an important part to a relationship. From a scientific perspective the release of hormones form good sex infact builds the bond between people, oxytocin ftw.
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Tenken
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Hoennese and proud!

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Without God, how can you have any morality?

Very, very easily.
However this is going off topic so I wont start the nine-page long rant I could begin on this topic, so moving on:

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Also name one way Sex before marriage can be positive?

I'll name three:

  • #1:
    Practice makes perfect. The first time isn't as special as people think, because you aren't good at it yet.

  • #2:
    A huge part of any healthy and successful marriage is sexual compatability. A marriage doesn't work properly without it, it's a documented fact. Sure, some couples may only have sex for procreation but what does that lead to? Affairs.
    No, obviously not all the time but it is a much higher likelihood. Further, if you need to be sexually compatible with someone in order to enjoy yourself or to see a relationship continuing into love, why not?
    What's more sex physically and mentally you emotionally closer to your partner. Physically because... well, obvious reasons, but mentally it changes hormones, chemicals and neural pathways, changing the way you see someone else.

  • #3:
    Pure and simply; enjoyment. Sure, some people may say sex isn't important to them but that is either due to: morally strict upbringing, inability or a lack of experience so far. People who say sex isn't important haven't experienced the all-encompassing, life-affirming joy that accompanies sex.
    You can't beat it.
    It's tops.


And now to argue against your cons:

  • Condoms:
    No, condoms aren't 100% but doctors and medical experts recommend more than one kind of sexual protection when engaging in intercourse; condoms, the pill, implanon, dental dams; there are dozens of kinds you can and should use unless you want pregnancies - which some people do. Same with STDs; more than one kind is recommended.
    Further, you should get yourself tested for STDs and HIV before having sex and you can then warn people if you do so birth control is used.
  • Sex Addiction:
    Is very rare. Like, one of the rarest forms of common addiction one can ever achieve. The numbers are in the low single digits of % - like 1-2% and lower.
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    A person who lives life trying to have sex with women/men is not a thoughtful and well functioning member of society. When married people have sex they are too committed to each other to get obsessed in sex.

    That is a complete and utter load.
    Not gonna lie, I'm a bit of a man whore and I've slept around with a lot of girls (exact number shall not be released) but to say I'm not a thoughtful and well-functioning member of society? I am more offended than I have ever been on this site. I am conscientious, I study hard and I give to charity. I spend time tutoring young children and I care for my family and friends. Simply because I have sex with a girl doesn't mean I don't care about the world in general and I am active in several causes.

    Frankly, one-night stands are sometimes what the figurative doctor ordered.
    And in this case, I have a blank prescription and it's awesome.
    I am no less caring for those people who I actually want a relationship with. I am no less caring about the world or my family. Hell I even care about the girls I sleep with in a different way; I'm not going to abuse or rape them.
    I care.
    Edited by Tenken, May 17 2011, 10:45 AM.
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 15 2011, 07:38 PM.
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Tenken
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Hoennese and proud!

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depression: it causes depression for people who get addicted to it and realize that sex it their only reason for living

Rarely, this is true, and only in a very small subset of a small subset of a small group as well. The fact is sex releases dopamine, lots of dopamine and dopamine literally makes you feel good.
Like, tops.
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makes people feel good: so does moral support, but studies have shown kids who have their ego built up are more likely to become criminals. Just because it makes people "feel good" doesn't make it positive

Ego build up = Criminality?
I would like to see those studies so I can officially call "bullshit".
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healthy and good for you: not so healthy habit when you aren't in a committed relationship (marriage). Any relationship that has sex without marriage is not healthy.

Now that is bull; lots of couples choose never to marry but may in fact be happier than the average married couple.
Hey, lets play the numbers game!
On a study of 100,000 Couples (married and unmarried) in the US the results on a happiness scale of 0 to 100 (0 being bad, 100 being good) the results were:
-Couples without Sex: 38
-Couples with Sex: 77
-Married without Sex: 17
-Married with Sex: 59
Boom.
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fun: not good point. Life is not about fun.

We don't know the meaning of life, so that is a moot point :P

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Abortion!!! It's killing a baby! not saying that is wrong is kind of like not saying murder is wrong. If you say "its not alive" YOU'RE WRONG at one month a baby can dream and think. No matter what you are going through you should not kill a baby. You should agree with me in saying humans that haven't even had a choice to live or not and haven't had a chance to live shouldn't be killed by people who have problems in their life because it doesn't matter how much your life suck it's not as bad as a baby who is about to be aborted. Why should the baby have to pay for it's parent's mistakes?????

Not sure who mentioned this (Link maybe?) but the fact that you're not pro-choice is an argument for another time.
Further, some couples who are unmarried want children. Why should they have to be married to have to wait?
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Well... Actually marriage is holy the only reason to divorce is sexual immorality. Honestly whether or not your mom is good parent wouldn't you rather have your birth mom and birth dad together? And I really was more referring to people who put their kids in dome orphanage or foster home because they can't deal with them.

Marriage isn't always holy (see my points in the other topic) and in our increasingly agnostic world it's become even less so.

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The fact that STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) can be transmitted sexually is enough reason to say you shouldn't be having random sex.

So we shouldn't interact with anyone ever then? We should just all be in isolated little bubbles all alone in locked rooms? Because then nobody would ever get sick!
Only you still would, so this argument is so... just... no.

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The CPU isn't addictive to me but I do spend a lot of time on it. If you spend as much time having sex as I am on the CPU you will have and intense emptiness and need for love. Sex cannot satisfy your need for love you need unconditional love and the best unconditional love is JESUS.

I'd love Jesus if he put out more.
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Your counter to depression is a retarded one, as tenn said sex addiction is one of the MOST RARE forms of it whilst many more people have a healthy sex life.
ans stray you say sex is not healthy do you have any evidence that suggests other wise? check out this link that mentions a few university published papers
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5263250
as physiological benfits include rushes of hormines, cardiovascular protection against heart disease, relieving pain, countering prostate cancer, easing stress and making people happier, one study has even shown that semen is an antidepressent.
Also who says that just because you have sex before marriage means it is random I have been having sex for 2 years and you know how many people that is? 1 clearly not random.

to talk about my parents now I would not want my birth mum and my birth dad together they are not good together and I do not feel that my life is missing anything with them being apart, if you are in anyway implying that i have had a lesser life because of it *pulls out rage gun*

And bad parents are shocking my mum is a social worker, and I hear all the time about horror stories of children and parents and this can even come from married couples.

and abortion is not killing a baby it is killing a foetus and we dont know if it can think but instead we know that nerves are firing at 6 weeks, that is a very different thing to being sentient and having awareness, we eat animals all the time and they can be proven to think.

But stray sex isnt addictive to most people but because a small amount of people get addicted to it apparantly ALL PEOPLE MUST NOT USE A COMPUTER! as you have just said just because a small amount of people get addicted to sex we must all not have sex before marriage so obviously the same applies to computers.

Also I did ask that you did not bring hte bible into this as it is quite obviously the only thing you have to form your beliefs on you have no real world evidence that says it is bad apart form what brainwashing you have gotten form the bible so its not really much of an argument when pretty much all literature says sex is good for you and that marriage doesn't make it not-good.
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THEPUNK101
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I'll totally pick up on the response to Tenken and Link's arguments at another time. I gtg study for finals or I will fail them.
Edited by THEPUNK101, May 17 2011, 11:14 AM.
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"Makes you feel good right? Hey so does Heroine, Crack, Morphine, Cocaine, and Marijuana."

Dude please understand how these drugs work, firstly not all make you feel good some dampen pain whilst others do yes provide pleasure however if you notice they also have toxic side effects which sex does not have. It is undisputed the health benefits of sex and it was even done on groups of college students that are not married and guess what it was not unhealthy, it still had the same benefits.

and are you serious about happiness not being important if you want to be miserable feel free to be miserable. Nothing is intrinsically wrong with seeking pleasure it is only when you put that above commitments and putting other people in harms way and hurting is others is when it is bad.

oh and how is sharing pleasure selfish, me and my partner both enjoy it and its both nice so what is the issue? and if you say the bible says so you really need to put up a better argument that isnt a quote from the bible.

And stray I know I can't get HIV from sex with my partner and that is interacting how is a mundane conversation about a rather lame sport less significant about a shared intimate experience...

Also to say people not to have a sex life and then say no offense is infact offensive, seriously you say what we should do as if you know better then us but then say you don't think we are lesser.

Now the thing about the computer you are saying because of only a few people that have a issues with sex you are saying that all people should abstain. thats like saying cause a few people have an issue with PC addiction all people should stop using PC's its that same analogy. your logic is flawed in almost all cases ruined by statistics so the only thing you have to grasp on to is a book written thousands of years ago with very little relevance to todays society.

And before we talk about abortion and having souls lets prove the existence of the soul... oh wait we can't so that argument is a tad redundant.
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wait Stray is actually still trying to convince himself in here? o0 I would have thought logic might have hit him by now. xD
p.s bible was made by man, man sins, lying is technically a sin if done wrongly, thus the bible might just as well be a big lie.
Oh and "-the great deciver-" wouldn't want to create a group of people willing to hate upon others, conceal their lusts and slowly make them mentally depraved etc.? Just saying that through bible logic (that being science fiction mixed with fantasy elements... Gotta love them unicorns) that you cant trust the bible xD.

Also p.s i sooo laughed at the meaning of life is glorifying god thing - mostly because im a satanist (and if your thinking spiritual crap you need to get the head out of the mud :3) so i can only see that as a pipe dream and denial of the real world in an attempt to make everything seem a bit brighter and remove the burden of responsibility of having to lead a good life and being a good person without a basis for morals etc. Aka having to make your own morals based on how the world around you is. Dont base world view upon something as a stupid ficitonal pierce of work, but rather base world view on the world. XD

Yeeer i love ranting about religion too much :P Its just so easy.
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Stay the course.

Sex is awesome. The end.

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