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Gay Marriage - Yes or No
Topic Started: Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM (8,603 Views)
Jossle
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and Scarlert wins, flawless logic.

Indeed, i personally agree on all of your three points because i happen to be something akin to an unsung lawyer, i studied law for the sake of legal contract i need to check on my work, i know for one gay marriages could open up all sort of legal loopholes, one of this example would be on pre-nuptial contracts between the people in question as while it is common that a heterosexual couple of certain social status to have this, the law involving them were made with heterosexuality in mind such as the fact that a pre-nuptial agreement is done almost most of the time between rich or 'noble' family to assure to continued existence of the family and clearly is made for the sake of preventing a divorce but in a gay marriage, such thing is impossible and can lead to several complication should the couple under the contract decide to divorce as legally it is still possible to appeal for a divorce in criminal cases.

There is also scientific part of this logic which is rather simple, since right now humanity is experiencing a decrease in birth rates that could become a serious problem in 15 to 20 years ahead so gay marriages or even homosexuality all together could quite literary fuck humanity to extinction as most gay couples tend to adopt rather that get on the baby making themselves because the methods available are too expensive for most couples.
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Nov 3 2010, 11:30 AM
There is also scientific part of this logic which is rather simple, since right now humanity is experiencing a decrease in birth rates that could become a serious problem in 15 to 20 years ahead so gay marriages or even homosexuality all together could quite literary fuck humanity to extinction as most gay couples tend to adopt rather that get on the baby making themselves because the methods available are too expensive for most couples.
Uh... what? Blade I think you're tripping balls right now because I'd like to point out that 99% of all scientific studies I have looked at about this problem -and there have been a fair few since I studied it for four straight months- have shown that the problem isn't that we're not breeding enough, it's that there are FAR too many people on the planet and we're killing it. And thus in fact by using the reverse of Blade's logic a larger portion of people should embrace homosexuality so we don't end up majorly screwing up the planet and fucking over future generations for their short-lived futures.

Besides, Scarlet your points were well made and I find myself agreeing with them but then wondering as to where your PoV on the issue lies (I cbf checking above posts) but limiting it to only 3 points isn't right, you need to think historically and psychologically in terms of this particular argument as well at the least, and I'm sure there are so many points I haven't though of. But:

Historical: Did you know Homosexuality has been around for millenia? In every and all cultures? In fact it wasn't until only very recently -in terms of history- that it has been a socially unacceptable thing. Heck even most mainstream religions used to look the other way until about the 1200s, since before then they were content to let people love whomever they wanted as long as they were following their beliefs, because they were too busy stomping out the more dangerous heretics. This wasn't all that in-depth but it's interesting.

Psychological: Did you know there's no such thing as homophobia? It's not an officially recognised phobia at all. Heck, did you know that the majority of opinions on gay marriage as well as homosexuality in general are made assuming that they are not homophobic (or the direct and controversial opposite)? There is no reason why people become homosexual that can be discovered, no imbalance in their brains and whatnot. Psychologically it is actually healthier for people in committed long-term relationships to be officially together, and a single piece of paper, two rings and one usually overpriced ceremony is usually enough to achieve this. If we want a healthier, happier humanity, allowing gay marriage is in fact the right thing to do in terms of everyone's mental health, even the people that find it wrong and whatnot, it's healthier in the long-term rather than stressing yourself against it.

Continuing the religious thing momentarily as well: homosexuality is in the Bible -a lot- and I don't think God ever once says "Hey, don't do this, it's wrong guys. Seriously." (If someone can prove me wrong please say so and provide evidence). I don't exactly know what it is that the people in most religions (I am no longer targeting one only, but all) have against it, since isn't the point of a marriage -the social point at least- to allow two people who are comitted to each other to do so officially? Where's the harm in that?
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This is why we need to have secular marriage, the same legal implications but without the religious ones.


There is. It's called a civil union.
Edited by Corgi, Nov 4 2010, 01:12 AM.
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Oh yeah, and that too, that was the other point I forgot. Marriages don't have to be religiously-induced, hence what Taiten said.
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Religion I don't see as an issue, It is up to that churches discression wether to allow it, persoanlly I disagree with the concept of church but they still have the right to deny it wether I think it is right or wrong.

Legally I think there should be no discrimination, it should be allowed if gay couples want to have the same legal rights as a heterosexual couple, go ahead! At least that is my opinion.

Populations wise, we need less people not more, it will be bad for the economy in the short term but good for the earth in the long term, if more people were homosexual I think it would be a good thing in regards to population levels XD
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:16 PM.
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The Christian bible isn't actually calling homo-sexuality a sin. So, just think about that, it's just a common misconception.
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Why would anyone be against it? I mean, I understand the christians, since their religion has been bitching about it for years, even though Relyk is right and the bible never says anything about it, but what's so wrong with it? It's just two people wanting to make a grand and sometimes holy bond, and I'm totally pro-that. You gotta let people be who they are, whether you like who they are or not.

Gay marriage should just be allowed, no exceptions.

And to Stray, you do realise there are many gay people who are christians as well? Those would like to get married as well because of religious reasons.
Edited by Zen, May 12 2011, 01:29 PM.
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Ahaha, time for teh fun times...

Before I begin, I must confess I operate from a biased stand point. I am lesbian, for those who do not know. However, I have no plans to get married, seeing as it means nothing to me other than an expensive piece of paper. So, in short, I'm the perfect candidate to argue this.

Now, let's begin with the religious aspect to opposing the right for homosexuals to get married. Let's see; religion is rather plainly against homosexuality. At least the Abrahamic faiths. I can think of several passages from the Torah and the Bible off the top of my head, that deny homosexuals the right to LIFE, never mind marriage.

However, I should like to point out that religion has been watered-down in the western world and the world as a whole. For instance, we have very few devotedly religious people. Very few people in Britain are calling for the death of homosexuals or, indeed, the revoking of their right to get married. 1st argument of mine; it hasn't hurt Britain one inch having gay marriage.

My second argument on the religious area, is that the truth it not everyone is a member of your religion, and so does not have to abide by its rules. I for one am an atheist, so I tend to judge what is moral by the amount of suffering it causes Vs the amount of suffering it prevents (my assumption is suffering is bad). But as an atheist, and a supporter of gay marriage, I am utterly opposed to the idea that the religious majority anywhere should have the authority to tell the non-believers or believers who believe otherwise how to live. There, that's my second argument; Thou shalt mind thy own business :P

Another argument I hear is that it undermines traditional marriage. To which I say, so what? Tradition is not a reason to disallow people their rights. Traditionally, blacks are to drink at a separate fountain. Traditionally, we are to have slaves. Do you think any of these "traditions" are moral? Of course you can't. So, equal rights for equal people. Prove that, as a lesbian, I am lesser than you in any way, and I will gladly concede that I am allowed to be pushed around as the inferior. I'll stop the thought now; you can't. In what way does my preference for women make me any more or less than you? I still bleed red blood, I'm still just as (if not more) intelligent, I'm a well-rounded, friendly person. In what way am I lesser?

And another one "It'll confuse children."

...Give children credit will you? How hard is it to say "When two people love each other, they get married." Seems pretty straight forward from my stand point.

My least favourite, of course, is the argument that homosexuals shouldn't marry because we're not monogamous. Err...wrong. I'm a teenager, and I've been with the same girl for over 6 months, having only just admitted to myself I'm gay 6.5 months ago. I'm very monogamous, more so than heterosexuals! I like a girl I can get to know and get comfortable with. I look forward to spending years with her.

In summary, there is no logical reason against why gay people shouldn't get to marry. As a psychology student, I know the behaviour of the homophobic. They tend to think that homosexuals getting any rights is a threat to them. For any homophobic people out there, I will tell you now: I'm not out to get you. I'm not going to hurt you. I just want to be treated just like a straight person, but with a liking for girls. Equality is not something to be scared of. Progression is not to be feared.

And that concludes the rant, have a nice day o3o
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yeah and yet noone that voted against it has said anything....maybe thats coz they would be hated if they did lol. Not really a topic for debate in my opinions as those that stand against get bricked. Anyway i dont care if ppl marry i mean it has nothing to do with me so why do i care o.o
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