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Gay Marriage - Yes or No
Topic Started: Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM (8,593 Views)
Cloud
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Who you calling chocobo head...

EDIT: Woah, looks like most of my post got eaten, sorry about that. Should be fixed now.


Okay, some proof for my ‘interesting’ idea.

As published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which is the main professional organization of psychiatrists and trainee psychiatrists in the United States, and is possible the most influential worldwide, here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070928051520/http://www.apahelpcenter.org/articles/article.php?id=31

“Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectionate attraction toward others. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female), and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior). Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive heterosexuality to exclusive homosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality.

The following list (very incomplete) of institutions would agree with me as well.
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Psychoanalytical Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
National Association of Social Workers
The Royal College of Psychiatrists
The Australian Psychological Society
Kinsey Institute

Not of course to mention the many journals published on the matter that can be found in any university library.

I will admit though that the idea of a gender (not biological gender here, the gender someone thinks they are) continuum is both odd (and instead of being a continuum is sometimes referred to as there being a third gender), and not as well established as the idea of a sexual orientation continuum, which is both very supported by science, and you know, you could just ask me personally if you don’t want to believe the science behind it. Though, really not the point of this thread, beyond I suppose showing that being homosexual is natural.


If love is unconditional…why don’t you just love guys Stray as a male? Can you see why this argument is at the very least flawed if not insulting? (Oh, why can’t you people just be normal! Is what it sounds likes…)


Also, Stray, you’ve missed out of large parts of this thread then, marriage was civil before religion, and civil marriage still exists. I want civil marriage (not a union, or partnership or whatever). The only thing that would be stopping me from getting a civil marriage to a man in Australia right now is the constitutional definition of marriage. So change that, let homosexuals get married, and the church can continue to operate how it likes. (For reference, if I wanted to get one with a woman, there is nothing stopping me getting a civil marriage.) As you said yourself, unions are nearly the same. Unions are not however the same, so yes, I want homosexual (civil) marriage. Civil unions and civil marriages are not the same thing by the way, so no, no mixed signals from me.
Edited by Cloud, May 25 2011, 04:49 AM.
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Tenken
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Hoennese and proud!

Besides Gender and Sexuality have always been defined as different things, once you get a bit older and do some better subjects in school you'll learn that.

As for his 'mixed messages' no he wasn't - you're the only one who've said that marriage has to be holy when I've given a historial example where it has not ever been considered as such. He wants marriages for same-sex couples as I do but not necessarily through a church.
Which makes damn sense.

And yeah, read all the points rather than selective choices of arguments.

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Hate crimes have really changed since Martin Luther King's or Winston Churchill's day

And no, no they haven't, they're the same thing all the time which is a discrimination against one group of people based on their religious beliefs, gender, sexuality, colour of their skin or some other group wide denomination.
Not allowing one group of people to marry another of the same sex is a specific discrimination.
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Dragonmimi
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I was going to stay out of this debate yet here i am.
Stray, STOP bringing God and religion into this. Seriously it's just sad and lame.
So long as some people are not afforded the rights of others, then we are an unequal and uncaring people. Discrimination on the basis of sexuality is a serious crime of humanity and i see no reason why people should have to fight for rights that others can take for granted.
I don't often think much about my sexuality, because i don't care if i fall in love with a man or woman, so long as we respect and love each other. As a species i believe we are far more bisexual than we admit, in fact most species are bisexual. They mainly have heterosexual partnerships however this is only for survival through breeding. And i can quote a lot of homosexual behaviors in animals too. When you consider that there are 7 billion humans on the planet, i think sex for survival's sake is a little redundant.
It does not matter who you love or what gender they are, what matters is the love. It doesn't matter what gender you or your loved one are. You can't control who you love, and you shouldn't want to, love is too powerful to control.
It is absolutely disgusting that some people are still to blind to see this.
Straykey: I pity you for not having true belief in this God that you champion so fervently, I PITY you for not being able to look beyond the letter of the bible and see the truth of God who loves all unconditionally, I PITY you because through your discrimination you distance yourself from God. However i am also disgusted that you would willingly treat others as inferior and then attempt to use religion to back up your discrimination crime. I am disgusted to be part of a race that would willingly hate its own kind.
Perhaps I have to work on loving unconditionally, but i will say this. I don't care what your gender is, but if you discriminate against others then I cannot respect you. I am sure God is more understanding of stupidity and hate than i am. I must say: it hurts when i see people use god as an excuse for hate and discrimination. God is love, and God loves unconditionally.

I ask a question Stray: how can you live with yourself? how do you sleep at night when you hate others of your own kind? because it destroys me inside when i realize i have lost respect for another human.
I want to love every person unconditionally. I really want to. And it is so hard, and hurts so much when i see these people who i want to love discriminate and hate others for no reason.

Hate is a crime against God and Humanity.
Love is what we should strive towards, it is what makes us extraordinary, it is what makes us beautiful and it is what brings us closer to God.
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:09 PM.
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Dragonmimi
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*rolls eyes*
The Bible was written thousands of years ago by the Jewish people as a way of defining their culture and trying to answer the question as to where they came from.
Always take a text in its context, otherwise it's just a bunch of words that don't mean anything.
Showing your love and passion by sharing your body with your partner, whether you be the same sex or not has never been a crime against God, and was never a sin.
The Bible? Show love? have you READ the bible? Do you UNDERSTAND it?
God shows love, and there are lessons to be learned from the bible, however taking it word for word, especially when there are so many different translations, is just stupid.
Might i add that i have been educated in belief, religion and the bible?
I kinda feel sorry for you, cos you clearly haven't understood the Bible, let alone God.
I'm leaving this debate now, it's just turned into a useless argument about religion which was not the original intention.
Stray, I really hope one day you truly find God, and learn the lessons that the Bible provides rather than simply quoting it without understanding, and twisting it to get out of the rules which you don't like.
I repeat, religion is redundant to this debate, if you believe that all people are equal, then say yes to gay marriage or if not then get rid of marriage all together. If not, then i think you need to do some serious soul searching.

Every person should have equal rights. That is my answer to the question of this debate.
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:08 PM.
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"why do you belive in the bible?"
Because it's gods words
"how do you know that"
Because the bible says so
"how can you trust the bible"
Because it's gods words

Rinse and repeat.

Again, fine if your beliving in A god etc. but useing the bible as your backbone is the same as useing a 2000 old version of twillight.

Also as i remember Stray the whole saying homosexuality is wrong because of the bible, why the F would anyone care for that? I mean theres a TOOOON of other weird stuff thats not allowed that you seem to let go unnoticed? Isnt there? If you proof read the bible (which if you want to use it as a backbone you should!!!). Not to mention the 7 sins which everyone daily loves to have fun with. Also gets ignored quite a bit. What about females speaking in church? Are you pro or against? I mean if you stand up for 1 part of the bible and use it - again - as a backbone you gotta stand by the whole shebang, else you might as well turn the other cheek and be pro-homosexuality.

Simple stand by EVERYTHING as EVERYTHING is part of the bible, which is, as you said "gods words". Or learn to turn the other cheek and not ever try jugde anyone, aka not even saying your against homosexuality because of the bible.

Decide or admit hypocraty! :D
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:09 PM.
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sorry my beliefs is respect for those earning it, until you give me a reason to respect you on the same level as mimi or other people who decide on god. Then i will not give you that. Respect isn't a free thing in this world, you earn it like everyone else. Of course whether you want that or not is obviously up to you. But i think the sheer amount of posts you do here says enough. xD

Also good to see your showing more of your ignorance and stupidity here :D *prepares the marshmellows for comming flames of logic*
Edited by Drame, May 26 2011, 01:09 PM.
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Hoennese and proud!

Straykey
May 26 2011, 10:03 AM
It isn't discrimination or a hate crime to think people are wrong or you would be committing a hate crime against me
No, that's not what I said at all you've completely misunderstood my point.
A Hate Crime is persecuting and denying a particular group based around a point of their being. Same-sex couples are persecuted by religious hate-mongerers and they are denied a basic civil liberty that every other group has.

That is the hate crime.

Straykey
May 26 2011, 12:52 PM
I think women should not teach in church
So is that. Denying a particular group based solely on a point of their being.

And once again you still ignored the point of civil marriages.
Are you against Gay Marriage as long as it's not religious?
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