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| Topic Started: Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM (8,594 Views) | |
| 博 Tenken | May 21 2011, 07:38 AM Post #111 |
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Hoennese and proud!
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Considering the fact that I've used the 'civil union' argument at least four times now you'd think this would result in </thread> but I get the feeling it won't... However, +1 to Mimi, flawless victory. |
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| THEPUNK101 | May 21 2011, 08:51 AM Post #112 |
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 15 2011, 07:44 PM.
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| 博 Tenken | May 21 2011, 11:04 AM Post #113 |
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Hoennese and proud!
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Thank you for abating my anger however I must point out that you don't know my beliefs as I have yet to state them. All I have been trying to do is turn this debate from a religious issue which it's not in current society. Based on non-religious reasons to marry which are the only ones that are accepted by the governments of ~80% of countries there is no reason same-sex couples should not be able to marry except for complete ignorance, stupidity (yes, they differ) and fear of what you do not understand. It's almost up there with a hate crime in my opinion. |
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| THEPUNK101 | May 21 2011, 01:06 PM Post #114 |
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Hate Crime! that is pretty intense |
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| 栄 Drame | May 21 2011, 05:47 PM Post #115 |
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im not sure how its NOT a hate crime to stand in the way of justice for the reasons of ignorance??? Thats just another way of doing the hate =P Of course it might sound as a bit of extreme thing, but once you vote in anything politically for something thats in a non-religious (which is what is politically the way you decide - as Tenn wrote) then if your doing something against equal rights etc. Because of hate, yer hate and crime... Hate crime! :P *ok i went in a circle there xD* |
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| 御 Cloud | May 21 2011, 06:00 PM Post #116 |
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Who you calling chocobo head...
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Mimi, Tenken, you’re awesome as always. This is probably not completely correct, so no offense to LGW (Lesbian, Gay or whatever :) Not to lessen any other group, but, because of how many letters that can get too if you try to include every group that is 'queer') people, but, gender and sexuality is not the same thing (perhaps obvious) and neither relate to how a person acts or how stereotypically 'manly' or 'womanly' they are. Gender is the gender someone thinks (knows) they are, and while it is generally thought of a binary concept (male or female) and for most people this might be true, it can also be thought of a spectrum, with people being somewhere in the middle, not the extremes, being intersex. Perhaps obviously people falling on the extremes are either male or female. The gender someone thinks they are though may be different to what their body would actually say based on anatomy, and these people are transgender (someone who’s anatomy matches their gender can be called cisgender, cis meaning same, and trans being opposite or across). Someone who anatomical has parts of both gender are also called hermaphrodites. Sexuality is who you are, attracted too, not just physically but in an emotionally, spiritually and erotic way. Unlike the binary it is commonly thought of, sexuality is a spectrum. Those that fall on the extreme ends are either heterosexual or homosexual, depending on whether they are attracted to the opposite gender or same gender (gender not being always binary and people being transgender can complicate this and is probably beyond the scope of this thread, but worth noting here you should call someone heterosexual or homosexual based on the gender they think (sorry, know is a better word) they are). People that are somewhere in the middle of that spectrum are called bisexual, and despite what is implied by the name, they do not have to fall in the middle of this spectrum. Because the very name bisexual implies there are only two genders, some people also refer to trisexuality (male, female, intersex) or pansexuality (any gender)…but really I imagine one could write a book on this subject, and trying to put everything into boxes isn’t always so important. People can also be asexual, which means they are not sexually attracted to anyone, which is not to say they can’t have loving relationships. I hope that clears things up a bit on the subject for you Stray. Now…sorry, I should have been clearer, love in unconditional, and, love is hard to define, but, I think most people can agree there are different ‘types’ of love. You don’t love your family, pet, friends, a food or hobby, or your partner the same way. As an individual, as person, no, I don’t exist to have sex, however, as a human, an animal, most of the population have sex drives, sex is a very basal and strong urge, and completely natural. We are programed to have sex, so to speak. If you’re going to love someone, and spend the rest of your live with them, well, attraction, love and sex are all natural and go hand in hand, and any long term happy successful relationship where one partner isn’t going to cheat is going to involve sex. It’s better if homosexual intercourse is going to happen anyway…that it’s in marriage right? To be honest, yes, you’re being a little insensitive, but it’s always easier to hear when it’s the second time and it’s not your own mother. Satan doesn’t do anything that God doesn’t let him, so I find that argument redundant. Also if Jesus=God, then on the basis of all the atrocities God has committed, I would say that Jesus was an unloving person then. Though of course I’d rather believe Jesus was a pretty cool guy that said some awesome things. The argument that prayer works or doesn’t work if it’s in God’s will is also poor…you can never lose that then, and it makes prayer a useless tool to try and influence something. More just curious, but, if you’re not heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual, what are you, trisexual, pansexual, asexual, other? If it’s other please explain because I would be interested. Also…my life isn’t improving to awesome without miracles. Anyway, time to make a point that is massively on topic. Civil marriage already exists in many countries, I don’t want religious marriage for homosexuals, I just want the constitutional (not biblical) definition of marriage changed, and I’ll get a government official and a nice big park for all my loved ones (my friends) kilometres from the nearest church to get married (regardless of the gender I marry if I marry). I’ll even not do it on a Sunday if it helps. |
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| 栄 Drame | May 21 2011, 06:08 PM Post #117 |
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quick thing: What does people say when prayer worked "prayer works" And if not "it was the will of god" WELL if god is omnipotent, superman, the one and only. And has a specifik plan (and if he is as descriped he also knows EVERYTHING voiding free will in the process but nvm that) then what was the meaning of a prayer in the first place? You dont need to pray cause god already knows your going to anyways and so forth. Why prove it to someone who doesn't need proving? Just a question :) |
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| 博 Tenken | May 22 2011, 01:38 AM Post #118 |
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Hoennese and proud!
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Drame seriously, stay on topic. And yes, hate crime Straykey I rate the lack of liberties granted to same-sex couples almost at that level. How else would you explain the reason that those in government who do not allow same-sex marriages are the way they are? They fear and hate it. And that's just wrong. |
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| 御 Cloud | May 24 2011, 10:00 AM Post #119 |
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Who you calling chocobo head...
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...*hugs Tenken* Okay, moving on, just a small thing I wanted to add on why everyone should get marriage, and not force a minority of the population to get 'unions'. Even if they are legally similar, even identical, they still represent a separate status, one that is ultimately still unequal, it still implies that homosexual people are inferior to heterosexual people, different is not equal. There is no real comparison because there is nothing like marriage except marriage. |
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| THEPUNK101 | May 24 2011, 11:10 AM Post #120 |
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Edited by THEPUNK101, Aug 28 2011, 09:20 PM.
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