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Gay Marriage - Yes or No
Topic Started: Jan 29 2010, 12:40 PM (8,596 Views)
THEPUNK101
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Leah
wrong forum
Edited by THEPUNK101, May 17 2011, 01:08 PM.
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linkrulesx10
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wrong forum
Edited by linkrulesx10, May 17 2011, 01:27 PM.
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Tenken
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Hoennese and proud!

No actually that fits here as well; do unto others as you would have done to you.

I.e. Everyone has equal rights.
I.e. Homosexuals should be able marry too.
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Cloud
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Who you calling chocobo head...

Mimi, as always, I LOVE this; "You fall in love with a person, not a gender. " So very very true.

Light, I think that counts as a yes, if it was put to a vote to change the law to allow gay marriage which way would you vote? (Assume it's like Australia and you HAVE to vote.)

Enma, that made me laugh, and I've been low in supply of good laughs, so many thanks~!

Lightning, very true, another great and simple reason. One which is even supported by the bible. *hugs back, feels loved*

Tenken, I think (or hoped) they merely misposted, but still, love the post.


Now...Stray. Well, first of all, I know it's not your intention, but thank you for implying that only straight people "murder a woman's husband to commit adultery with her", I got a bit of a giggle out of that. You say David was straight and they were friends, I say he was bi and bit of a whore...and we can both throw bible verses to prove or disapprove that, but considering it requires individual interpretation, and is not the purpose of this thread, we should probably let this drop. I also never said what you thought about Jesus, I was merely trying to answer the question of C.S. Lewis.

The rest of your post though...being gay isn't a sin, but active homosexuality is? I'm sorry but in the real world most deep and loving relationships involve sex. What is 'active' homosexuality anyway? Am I allowed to love and live with another male as long as we don't have sex, or is the fact I openly love him 'active'? What about just checking out a cute guy, does that count as 'active'? Also, why would God decide to give approximately 10% of the population a temptation like that, isn't it easier and to you 'better' to make everyone straight?

Also...the saddest part of my story is the fact I didn't repent? I would have said the saddest part was all the times I broke down and cried for hours that also made keeping blades in my room a REALLY bad idea... To be honest the idea that I should repent for the way I was born, the way God made me, just, infuriates me, how can you possibly tell another human being to repent for existing? Should the blind say sorry for being blind? What about the lame, I'm sure they all asked to be in wheelchairs before they had conscious thought. Of course, that’s not really a fair example as being gay isn’t a disability, but you see my point. Perhaps a better example would be, should people have to repent for having black skin?
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Madge
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God doesn't give temptation cloud, Satan does. Also, I honestly don't know where I stand on this debate. God wouldn't condem us if we couldn't help it, then again, who would willingly choose to be gay and take crap for the rest of their life. I honestly blame Satan, but I think homosexuality is another challenge that we're meant to overcome. When I was little, I had homosexual thoughts, after a few months of praying about it, I seemed to find the idea of men on men quite repulsive. It's however, something we all have to decide for ourselves. You're aethist, I'm Christian, we're going to have different views. :/
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Cloud
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Who you calling chocobo head...

Exactly, no one would willing choose to be gay. ...Which is why it confuses me you'd then say it can be overcome. I mean, I'm not the best example being bi and all so I can't just 'switch' (though the idea of sexuality being binary, not a spectrum... >.< ), but, if someone could ‘overcome’ being gay and not have to put up with being a minority group, well, I think they would. As I said before, I wouldn't change my sexuality, but, I would also never wish it on anyone else.

I was Christian for quite some time...and I still have quite a good deal of respect for some of the basic believes and tenants of the religion (love others, etc.), heck, I've been called 'more Christian' then some Christians because of the way I act, and I'm atheist...because I don't believe in a supernatural power, not because I deny the existence of such a power, so, we can still have the same views if the bible is pushed to the side. Link's mum and I get along very well (ha-ha, yes, make a ya-mum joke now, but I'm practically another son to her now) despite her being quite a spiritual woman.

Tenken I imagine can far better explain the fluidity of sexuality, that thinking a guy is hot is different to being attracted in a romantic way, etc. (not to mention feelings of guilt or shame masking how you feel), but, long story short, having homosexual thoughts, and then not having them months later doesn't mean you 'overcome' being gay, nor does it mean you were ever gay. Also, if prayer works...well; three years should have been enough, not to mention what my family has likely added over the last few months.
Edited by Cloud, May 19 2011, 07:27 PM.
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Drame
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yer blame someone else! Who wants to take responsibility! Its all satans fault! Not that we just dont want to face something that has before throughout society been a tabu, which we are now at a point as a civilization able to confront! So yer its satans fault, not the whole "humans aren't perfect" thing =/ not nice to blame the dude keeping the christian church etc. going for so many years =P (couldn't help myself XD)

And secondly finding men on men repulsive? oh wopti do <.< i find the taste of fish repulsive myself doesn't make it wrong, just means it aint for me hehe.

And homosexuality is a challenge meant to be overcome? I really hope im misunderstanding that and its meant of more of a "the challenge of learning your sexuality, is a challenge we all must face" sentence and not as a "if your gay, you failed life and god now dislikes you" thing =/

But at least you admit you have different views etc. :P - didnt mean to harras, just debate which is part of this thread ;)
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Madge
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Interesting, another typical aethist who finds himself superior because of his beliefs. I didn't insult your religion, so why would you insult mine without any cause? I find it rude that you would act so hostile towards a friendly conversation. . And FYI, this debate was about our thoughts on Marriage, not the religious beliefs of others, so yes, regardless of your intention, your post did in fact "harass" my common beliefs.
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this is a debate, you stated your thoughts and im debating them. And im trying to get a clarification as some seemed unclear.
Also i wouldn't say i was hostile, i was sarcastic, but not hostile. There is a difference.
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Orbis Signifer
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The thing I don't get is just because someones sexual orientation is not considered normal they go to hell. What if you have a gay Christian and he/she is the most devoted Christian you would ever meet, I mean like if not for them loving someone they would of become a priest. Also what if they followed every rule shown in the bible? Never had sex before marriage, has not commit adultery, has even honored the Sabbath. You shouldn't confined love if you truly feel the way you feel, be it straight or homosexual, love is love.
PS I am Christian myself...
Edited by Orbis Signifer, May 19 2011, 08:28 PM.
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