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Mike Brown FBI Report; Black Lives Matters, what say you??
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reddgirl64

I don't know where you got that it's ok to disobey an order by the police, however, you keep speading that lie to your people.

NOT once have I ever stated that some PO lie, however, death is not the way to prove a lie. I don't know, what your argument is to staying alive...

Again, unjust is your opine. Not a fact, but simply an opinion. Opines don't hold up, in a court of law.
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I know the Law better than u dear...

Ok, let's just see..You want these officer's arrested, ok. I'm the judge, you're the prosecution.

You come to court and say, judge in my opinion, the killing was unjustified.

Judge to you: prove it!! Show that there was not probable cause, no reason whatsoever, that the PO shot and killed the perp..beyond a reasonable doubt. Meaning, if at any time, the officer even thought he was in a dangerous situation, he can defend himself.

All of these cases will go to the state of mind regarding the PO, not the dead person.

Again..
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I know the Law better than u dear...

Who said anything about a request? Pay close attention, tisk, tisk..and no need to shout, I posted my exact words for you.
YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO COMPLY TO A REQUEST THAT IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL

I stated this..

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**also, just a law lesson, non compliance is a reason for arrest. Once you've been given an order, not a request, and order, to disobey is grounds for arrest or a ticket**


The law luv..Sandra was ordered out of her car, she didn't comply. The officer then had a right to arrest her. She was asked (a request) to put out her cigarette, she didn't have too..

What's the difference in those two statements?? Also, educated all of us, on what an officer can/cannot do during a traffic stop, seeing you on a corner, or any other situation, especially like Mike Brown's..

The law, not your opine, just the law please..
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May 17 2016, 12:16 PM
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May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
Those are the words of the cop... COPS have been proven to lie to cover-up situations where they murder... And whole police depts have covered for these cops..

So I dont go by the words of cops... Since Mike Brown is not here to give his accounts...


And of course u dont need to comment on every video taped incident..

But dont come here and pretend that Police Violence against Blacks is not racially motivated by bringing up that All Killings are not racially motivated.. When no one ever said All killings by cops are racially motivated..
The video tape theft was not fabricated.

Drugs were found in Brown's system.

The autopsy showed that Brown's wounds were not consistent with someone defending themselves.

Your own words show that you have a bias towards law enforcement.

In other words, you lack objectivity.

Feel free to post incidents of such wide-spread police corruption.

Feel free to post any evidence where I pretended racially motivated police abuse does not ever occur.
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May 17 2016, 12:16 PM
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May 17 2016, 10:59 AM
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May 17 2016, 02:07 AM
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May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
Those are the words of the cop... COPS have been proven to lie to cover-up situations where they murder... And whole police depts have covered for these cops..

So I dont go by the words of cops... Since Mike Brown is not here to give his accounts...


And of course u dont need to comment on every video taped incident..

But dont come here and pretend that Police Violence against Blacks is not racially motivated by bringing up that All Killings are not racially motivated.. When no one ever said All killings by cops are racially motivated..
I don't think it has ever been stated, that some cops lie..EVER!!

He's correct, not all killings are racially motivated, thats just how you see them. You are allowed to see race where ever you want, you're not allowed to tell anyone else, they should see it, like you..

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Police Violence against Blacks is racially motivated


Really? Prove it..not your opine, just the law!!




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May 17 2016, 02:15 AM
Also.. How can people claim to be against violence but condone violence and killing, simply because someone is wearing a badge and kills someone that's unarmed for non-compliance and for being black?

But yet, when these black kids are gunning each other down dead, we act like we are so concerned..

What about when it's a white dude wearing a badge, where the black person in question posed no threat?

How come there's no outrage or forums made?
You are free to create your own threads to discuss these matters.
Of course I am..

Just as I'm free to wonder why there's no outrage, anger, concern when Criminals that became Cops kill Unjustly and get away with it..

You previously posted that you have a bias towards law enforcement.

So any outrage, anger, or concern would have to satisfy your standard.
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May 17 2016, 11:26 AM
People want to be excused for bad behavior.

Yep. And you do earnestly excuse them----- as long as their bad behavior was against a darkskinned-NI99ER, just exactly like LAPD trained you.

Proven by your post's archive veracious theme re: heavy melanin of the skin color in the perps for most crime discussions you start on this website. And caramelized by how your AFN posting career's trek, consistently flows away form criticizing officers who are racist or violent toward unarmed darkskinned-Negroes.

Such as your quickness in whining about Mike Brown in order for you to stay silent on issues like this:


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]How Police Training Contributes to Avoidable Deaths;
To save lives, cops must be taught to think beyond the gun belt.





...officers are trained to shoot before a threat is fully realized, to not wait until the last minute because the last minute may be too late.

But what about the consequences of a mistake? After all, that dark object in the suspect’s hands could be a wallet, not a gun. The occasional training scenario may even make that point.

But officers are taught that the risks of mistake are less—far less—than the risks of hesitation. A common phrase among cops pretty much sums it up: “Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.”

...Officers should be trained to keep that perspective in mind as they go about their jobs.

Training also needs to compensate for the unconscious racial biases that lead officers to perceive a greater threat from black men than from others.

Officers are not unique in that regard; implicit racial animus is depressingly common in society. But it is of special concern in the context of policing.

Because officers use more force when they perceive a greater threat, unconscious bias can lead officers to react more aggressively when confronting black men than they would when confronting others in otherwise identical situations. As we’ve seen too many times, the results are beyond tragic.

...Use-of-force training should also emphasize de-escalation and flexible tactics in a way that minimizes the need to rely on force, particularly lethal force...

http://www.docfoc.com/how-police-training-contributes-to-avoidable-deaths-uGtAG


Yes, Doc, readers need to know this about your treachery. Yepper therefore it is no need for you to reply to this post.
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May 17 2016, 11:26 AM
People want to be excused for bad behavior.

Yep. And you do earnestly excuse them----- as long as their bad behavior was against a darkskinned-NI99ER, just exactly like LAPD trained you.

Proven by your post's archive veracious theme re: heavy melanin of the skin color in the perps for most crime discussions you start on this website. And caramelized by how your AFN posting career's trek, consistently flows away form criticizing officers who are racist or violent toward unarmed darkskinned-Negroes.

Such as your quickness in whining about Mike Brown in order for you to stay silent on issues like this:


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]How Police Training Contributes to Avoidable Deaths;
To save lives, cops must be taught to think beyond the gun belt.





...officers are trained to shoot before a threat is fully realized, to not wait until the last minute because the last minute may be too late.

But what about the consequences of a mistake? After all, that dark object in the suspect’s hands could be a wallet, not a gun. The occasional training scenario may even make that point.

But officers are taught that the risks of mistake are less—far less—than the risks of hesitation. A common phrase among cops pretty much sums it up: “Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.”

...Officers should be trained to keep that perspective in mind as they go about their jobs.

Training also needs to compensate for the unconscious racial biases that lead officers to perceive a greater threat from black men than from others.

Officers are not unique in that regard; implicit racial animus is depressingly common in society. But it is of special concern in the context of policing.

Because officers use more force when they perceive a greater threat, unconscious bias can lead officers to react more aggressively when confronting black men than they would when confronting others in otherwise identical situations. As we’ve seen too many times, the results are beyond tragic.

...Use-of-force training should also emphasize de-escalation and flexible tactics in a way that minimizes the need to rely on force, particularly lethal force...


Yes, Doc, readers need to know this about your treachery. Yepper therefore it is no need for you to reply to this post.
Thanks for the laugh.

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May 17 2016, 12:38 PM
reddgirl64
May 17 2016, 12:31 PM
I don't know where you got that it's ok to disobey an order by the police
Same place where you got it, you lil' fuccn racist, please remember that you & Doc Saul & Affinity all applauded George Zimmerman when he disobeyed law enforcement officials/he called in to report Trayvon when he lost him and they told him don't go after Trayvon.

Now do the world a, favor, and pls delete the rest of the stupidly-racist nonsense you have posted in this thread.
This is sound counsel.

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Jul 6 2015, 02:35 PM


show proof of this anywhere on this website

validate claims of this anywhere on this website

provide factual-evidence of this anywhere on this website.


...or...


feel free to continue spinning your wheels in hallucinations & baseless accusations/allegations
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May 17 2016, 12:25 PM
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May 17 2016, 11:11 AM
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May 17 2016, 02:07 AM
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May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
The issue is, people like Ron don't take into consideration, what the person was doing, that lead to their death. They say, well so what, he committed a crime, let him go, so that criminals like this, continue to make the neighborhoods crime infested.

Mike beat the officer at his truck, ran, and turned around to come back at the officer. What do you think, Mike was going to do, once he got to the officer? Shake his hand? Get on the ground, and say, I'm sorry? Say, take me to jail, I shouldn't have been robbing a store?

I, like the officer, would not take that chance...no one can tell you how YOU should behave when you're in a dangerous situation.

I'm still at odds on why, some are at odds with the police and complying?

Heck, I got stopped the other day, the very first thing on my mind was to run...

No, I didn't run, why? All my shit, is in order..I didnt' even get a ticket, why?

He said, thanks for answering my questions, just slow down please.
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The issue is, people like Ron don't take into consideration, what the person was doing, that lead to their death. They say, well so what, he committed a crime, let him go, so that criminals like this, continue to make the neighborhoods crime infested.
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hahahaha... When did I say they should let people and criminals who run havoc go?
Please, let's get serious for a second..

I HAVE a problem when people are UNJUSTLY KILLED BY COPS and people saying things led to their deaths... Unless the things they do put the Cops lives in danger, or other lives in danger, than I do have a problem with it...


lol and oh yea, for good measure, I'm all for arresting people who are committing or committed criminal acts.. Which is what a cop is EMPLOYED to do.. NOT KILLED UNJUSTLY because someone didnt comply or made them work more than they had to...

Like the Cop that shot that black dude as he was running away, and then LIED and MANUFACTURED the CRIME SCENE...

Did that guy deserved to get arrested for non-compliance? I can argue yes...

But did he deserved to get Murdered? I will SAY NO...


And I dont take what the cop's account said about Mike Brown... That's another forum..


And why people dont comply is because Cops break constitutional Laws when it comes to blacks and other citizens regularly...

You dont have a duty to comply when your constitutional Law are being broken..
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constitutional Law


What are individuals constitutionals rights when it comes to the police?

I do believe this is an educational moment :D

Here, I'll start. When stopped by the police, comply. You don't have to answer any questions, however, that does not mean, you can't be arrested..

The police must have a valid reason to stop you. It doesn't matter if you think they shouldn't, or you view it, as harassing, they can stop you. The PO must tell you, why they stopped you.

The place to fight a ticket is court, not on side of the street. Once you engage in banger with the police, you're lost leverage.
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reddgirl64
May 17 2016, 11:41 AM
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May 17 2016, 11:26 AM
Redd,

People want to be excused for bad behavior.

Brown was on drugs, he store from store, and intimidated the store clerk. The video I posted showed that.

Brown probably felt empowered, and carried that level of aggression when he encountered Wilson.

What normal person would reach for an officer's gun?

People need to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

Real cases of police misconduct get ignored due to folks wanting to make martyrs of those that played a direct role in their destruction.
My issue is, why are they making excuses for these behaviors? They say they aren't, but yes, they are.

Until it is understood, the police is not going to stop, especially, when they're engaged in a struggle. These are not people sitting on a chair, a cop walks up, and just shoots them in the head, for just sitting in a chair...

I, educate my nephews daily on what the police can and cannot do. I tell them, to just comply, do not make any sudden movements, put your hands up, and stay alive. Shout that your hands are in the air, hopefully others will hear to witness and record the event.

It does seem like some blacks take this as a cowardly thing to do, maybe that's why, they feel as tho complying is silly.

I wish for all to read this from the Supreme Court. I would think this is a pro-black thing to share and education other blacks on, in order to prevent further killings.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-supreme-court-expands-immunity-for-killer-cops/5488366

In the Sandra Bland case, please understand, she didn't comply with an order. To get out of the car was an order, to put out the cigarette, was a request. Some just don't know the difference..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/23/sandra-bland-and-the-lawful-order-problem/

This is what the courts and judges will look at, not yours, but the police officers..
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such as the officer’s state of mind, what THEY deem as a danger


Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do..on Monday, after the game played on Sunday.


I'm not talking about proving a lie..

I'm talking about Officers that get Caught (MANY GET AWAY WITH IT, IN ABSENCE OF NO VIDEO EVIDENCE) need to ARRESTED and PROSECUTED..

i.e. Eric Garner/ Walmart Kid/ Tamir Rice/

etc.. But the problem is the judges, prosecutors dont care..


And Yes, I know the law more than you know.. Trust me on that..

Lol. for some reason u assume that people u talk to online are home, living in their mother's basement, scratching their unwashed balls and never have achieving anything in life and living in some impoverished neighborhood somewhere..


That's not represented here, my dear..


AS I said, when an order is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, u are not OBLIGED to follow it..

The Problem is the Cops LIE and tack on Bogus Charges and then it costs u money, time, your job, your freedom to fight these Bogus Charges...

Cops know this and that's why they do this...

I'm saying that these cops should get Fired, Prosecuted to the full extent the law permits



Here's a Perfect Example







The Black Dude did the right thing, but still got into a heap of legal, financial trouble, etc..
The DA even tried to prosecute him and said that he shouldnt have been let go..


What happened to the cop?

NOTHING...
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May 17 2016, 12:40 PM
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May 17 2016, 12:17 PM
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May 17 2016, 02:15 AM
Also.. How can people claim to be against violence but condone violence and killing, simply because someone is wearing a badge and kills someone that's unarmed for non-compliance and for being black?

But yet, when these black kids are gunning each other down dead, we act like we are so concerned..

What about when it's a white dude wearing a badge, where the black person in question posed no threat?

How come there's no outrage or forums made?
You are free to create your own threads to discuss these matters.
Of course I am..

Just as I'm free to wonder why there's no outrage, anger, concern when Criminals that became Cops kill Unjustly and get away with it..

You previously posted that you have a bias towards law enforcement.

Hey Ron, two (2) things re: Doc Saul's words here...


1) take notice of how I was correct, that neither of him nor reddgirl addressed your words which I already predicted they would not address.

2) consider how Doc Saul both previously and, currently, works for a law enforcement agency called LAPD therefore his bias is programmed ...yet... He has the audacity to make a disingenuous mention of your bias against rogue cop behavior.





ROFL @ their shyt stinks inline with your strategy from the Kobe thread.
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