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Mike Brown FBI Report; Black Lives Matters, what say you??
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Ronroyce
May 17 2016, 02:07 AM
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May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
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Ronroyce
May 17 2016, 02:15 AM
Also.. How can people claim to be against violence but condone violence and killing, simply because someone is wearing a badge and kills someone that's unarmed for non-compliance and for being black?

But yet, when these black kids are gunning each other down dead, we act like we are so concerned..

What about when it's a white dude wearing a badge, where the black person in question posed no threat?

How come there's no outrage or forums made?
You are free to create your own threads to discuss these matters.
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reddgirl64

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May 17 2016, 10:59 AM
Ronroyce
May 17 2016, 02:07 AM
Doctor Magnus Warlock
May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
The issue is, people like Ron don't take into consideration, what the person was doing, that lead to their death. They say, well so what, he committed a crime, let him go, so that criminals like this, continue to make the neighborhoods crime infested.

Mike beat the officer at his truck, ran, and turned around to come back at the officer. What do you think, Mike was going to do, once he got to the officer? Shake his hand? Get on the ground, and say, I'm sorry? Say, take me to jail, I shouldn't have been robbing a store?

I, like the officer, would not take that chance...no one can tell you how YOU should behave when you're in a dangerous situation.

I'm still at odds on why, some are at odds with the police and complying?

Heck, I got stopped the other day, the very first thing on my mind was to run...

No, I didn't run, why? All my shit, is in order..I didnt' even get a ticket, why?

He said, thanks for answering my questions, just slow down please.
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Redd,

People want to be excused for bad behavior.

Brown was on drugs, he store from store, and intimidated the store clerk. The video I posted showed that.

Brown probably felt empowered, and carried that level of aggression when he encountered Wilson.

What normal person would reach for an officer's gun?

People need to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

Real cases of police misconduct get ignored due to folks wanting to make martyrs of those that played a direct role in their destruction.
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reddgirl64

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May 17 2016, 11:26 AM
Redd,

People want to be excused for bad behavior.

Brown was on drugs, he store from store, and intimidated the store clerk. The video I posted showed that.

Brown probably felt empowered, and carried that level of aggression when he encountered Wilson.

What normal person would reach for an officer's gun?

People need to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

Real cases of police misconduct get ignored due to folks wanting to make martyrs of those that played a direct role in their destruction.
My issue is, why are they making excuses for these behaviors? They say they aren't, but yes, they are.

Until it is understood, the police is not going to stop, especially, when they're engaged in a struggle. These are not people sitting on a chair, a cop walks up, and just shoots them in the head, for just sitting in a chair...

I, educate my nephews daily on what the police can and cannot do. I tell them, to just comply, do not make any sudden movements, put your hands up, and stay alive. Shout that your hands are in the air, hopefully others will hear to witness and record the event.

It does seem like some blacks take this as a cowardly thing to do, maybe that's why, they feel as tho complying is silly.

I wish for all to read this from the Supreme Court. I would think this is a pro-black thing to share and education other blacks on, in order to prevent further killings.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-supreme-court-expands-immunity-for-killer-cops/5488366

In the Sandra Bland case, please understand, she didn't comply with an order. To get out of the car was an order, to put out the cigarette, was a request. Some just don't know the difference..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/23/sandra-bland-and-the-lawful-order-problem/

This is what the courts and judges will look at, not yours, but the police officers..
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such as the officer’s state of mind, what THEY deem as a danger


Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do..on Monday, after the game played on Sunday.


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reddgirl64
May 17 2016, 11:41 AM
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May 17 2016, 11:26 AM
Redd,

People want to be excused for bad behavior.

Brown was on drugs, he store from store, and intimidated the store clerk. The video I posted showed that.

Brown probably felt empowered, and carried that level of aggression when he encountered Wilson.

What normal person would reach for an officer's gun?

People need to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

Real cases of police misconduct get ignored due to folks wanting to make martyrs of those that played a direct role in their destruction.
My issue is, why are they making excuses for these behaviors? They say they aren't, but yes, they are.

Until it is understood, the police is not going to stop, especially, when they're engaged in a struggle. These are not people sitting on a chair, a cop walks up, and just shoots them in the head, for just sitting in a chair...

I, educate my nephews daily on what the police can and cannot do. I tell them, to just comply, do not make any sudden movements, put your hands up, and stay alive. Shout that your hands are in the air, hopefully others will hear to witness and record the event.

It does seem like some blacks take this as a cowardly thing to do, maybe that's why, they feel as tho complying is silly.

I wish for all to read this from the Supreme Court. I would think this is a pro-black thing to share and education other blacks on, in order to prevent further killings.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-supreme-court-expands-immunity-for-killer-cops/5488366

In the Sandra Bland case, please understand, she didn't comply with an order. To get out of the car was an order, to put out the cigarette, was a request. Some just don't know the difference..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/23/sandra-bland-and-the-lawful-order-problem/

This is what the courts and judges will look at, not yours, but the police officers..
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such as the officer’s state of mind, what THEY deem as a danger


Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do..on Monday, after the game played on Sunday.


I commend for having such conversations with your nephews.

Black youth is priceless.

One thing about the NOI is that members are typically articulate, calm, and poised.

That should be the standard.

People want to be excused, or rewarded for being out of control.
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Ronroyce

reddgirl64
May 17 2016, 10:59 AM
Ronroyce
May 17 2016, 02:15 AM
Also.. How can people claim to be against violence but condone violence and killing, simply because someone is wearing a badge and kills someone that's unarmed for non-compliance and for being black?

But yet, when these black kids are gunning each other down dead, we act like we are so concerned..

What about when it's a white dude wearing a badge, where the black person in question posed no threat?

How come there's no outrage or forums made?
My reply to you, was in response to your opine regarding women and their kids. Do tell, how do you view the mothers of the under age kids, killed by cops? Should they be held responsible in some way for their kids actions?

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usually Whites who hate blacks, who happen to be wearing badges that kill Blacks when their lives were NOT in danger, for the mere case of NON-COMPLIANCE or for BEING BLACK...

This is non other than mere conjecture, assumption and your very own racist view of whites. Tell me, how do you determine what is danger? It's very easy to do after the fact, but in the moment, how do you determine, what is dangerous or life threatening?
**also, just a law lesson, non compliance is a reason for arrest. Once you've been given an order, not a request, and order, to disobey is grounds for arrest or a ticket**

You're putting information out there, that's erroneous, and it only hurts the cause. Education of the laws and your rights, is what the inner city needs, not more opines and rhetoric.

Fighting and resisting are grounds for arrest, and in the cases you listed, lead to death. Tell me, when fighting, if its your life or theirs, wouldn't you chose yours?

In these cases, these men, did not comply. Once you decide you're going to fight, I think the edge goes to the police. Don't know why it's hard for some to get this, the police is not going to stop shooting..at some point, live to see another day, and expose the cops if you think you've been mistreated.

With Tamir and John, again, how are the police suppose to know, if the gun is real or not, in that moment? You're looking at things 'after the fact', however it's the moment the situation is occurring that the judge, jury, and FBI will use. Not what one 'should, could, or would' do differently..

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Dontre Hamilton, 31, was fatally shot 14 times by a police officer, engaged in a struggle,
John Crawford, 22, was shot and killed by a police officer, he had been holding a toy BB gun,
Michael Brown, 18, was shot and killed...
Tamir Rice, 12, was shot and killed by Cleveland police after officers mistook his toy gun for a real weapon.
Jerame Reid, 36, was shot and killed by police officers in Bridgeton, New Jersey. He was a passenger in a car driven by his friend, who was pulled over by police.
In dashcam video footage of the stop, an officer is heard claiming that there is a gun in the glove compartment. Police shouted at Reid not to exit the car, but he did, with his hands apparently in front of his chest.


The cops were charged, and rightly so..

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Akai Gurley, 28, was shot and killed by a police officer while walking in a dimly lit New York City public housing stairwell with his girlfriend. Gurley, who was unarmed, was pronounced dead at a hospital. New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton called the shooting an “accidental discharge.”
The officer, rookie Peter Liang, was charged with second-degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, second-degree assault, reckless endangerment, and two counts of official misconduct.

Eric Harris, 44, was shot and killed by a 73-year-old reserve deputy officer who allegedly mistook his own gun for a Taser. The entire incident was captured on a dashcam video.
The officer, Robert Bates, was charged with manslaughter.

Walter Scott, 50, was shot by a police officer while running away from a traffic stop for a broken taillight. Officer Michael Slager claimed Scott had taken his stun gun.
Slager was subsequently fired and charged with murder after a video surfaced showing Scott running away, his back to the officer, as Slager fired his gun.
Go back and read that thread again..

I had an issue with CUSTODIAL PARENTS who arent raising their kids at all..

And I dont view "mothers" getting their kids killed unjustly by cops in a negative way... It's the Whites wearing badges to kill Unjustly that I have a problem with..

I'll restate my position since it keeps getting changed and/or lost on people..


When A cop UNJUSTLY Kills an Unarmed person, they should be charged and prosecuted.. That's it...


How do I define Unjust? Killing someone when your life is not in danger or when there are alternate ways to dissolve the situation without Killing the perp...





lol at racist views of whites... Stop making me laugh.. please..
There are WHITES, who feel the same way as I do... There are Latinos, Asians.. etc..
This is not what u are trying to make it out to be... This is VIOLENT INJUSTICE, KILLINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH...

Also, I am NOT TALKING ABOUT ARREST... You didnt not see me state that..

I SAID AND I'LL REPEAT..
NON-COMPLIANCE AND BEING BLACK ARE NOT GROUNDS TO GET SHOT AND KILLED BY COPS..

I know the Law better than u dear...

Also, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO COMPLY TO A REQUEST THAT IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL..

the problem is COPS Lie and arrest u and tack on charges and when it's their words, against yours (WHEN THERE'S NO VIDEO EVIDENCE) the citizens naturally lose more times than not... It's pretty pervasive based on many court accounts, based on the many video evidences... Nothing here is conjecture, assumption or the laughable "racist view of whites"

And it has nothing to do with the inner city... COPS abusing their power, Killing Unjustly goes on everywhere and affects ANYONE... They simply Kill the people that they know they can get away with and nothing will be done..


As for Tamir > Cops gave him no change... No standoff, No trying to decipher and resolve the situation... They just pulled up on him and shot him... That in no way is a Just killing..

As for the walmart teen, the same thing... No standoff, no trying to decipher the situation, they Just pulled up and started shooting.. That was not a Just killing..


Lol and u cant expose cops if u think u are being or have been mistreated, because they are given a free pass to terrorize whomever they want, so as long as the person is poor or black..

Even with VIDEO EVIDENCE, [the walmart teen, tamir] the cops still didnt get indicted



And oh yea, Look at what this WHITE GUY had to say about the walmart teen





See, it's people that are concerned with thugs, murderers, criminals that became cops that speak up...

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Ronroyce

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May 17 2016, 10:59 AM
Ronroyce
May 17 2016, 02:07 AM
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May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
Those are the words of the cop... COPS have been proven to lie to cover-up situations where they murder... And whole police depts have covered for these cops..

So I dont go by the words of cops... Since Mike Brown is not here to give his accounts...


And of course u dont need to comment on every video taped incident..

But dont come here and pretend that Police Violence against Blacks is not racially motivated by bringing up that All Killings are not racially motivated.. When no one ever said All killings by cops are racially motivated..
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Ronroyce

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May 17 2016, 11:03 AM
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May 17 2016, 02:15 AM
Also.. How can people claim to be against violence but condone violence and killing, simply because someone is wearing a badge and kills someone that's unarmed for non-compliance and for being black?

But yet, when these black kids are gunning each other down dead, we act like we are so concerned..

What about when it's a white dude wearing a badge, where the black person in question posed no threat?

How come there's no outrage or forums made?
You are free to create your own threads to discuss these matters.
Of course I am..

Just as I'm free to wonder why there's no outrage, anger, concern when Criminals that became Cops kill Unjustly and get away with it..

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reddgirl64
May 17 2016, 11:11 AM
Doctor Magnus Warlock
May 17 2016, 10:59 AM
Ronroyce
May 17 2016, 02:07 AM
Doctor Magnus Warlock
May 16 2016, 05:33 PM
Not every instance of an officer involved shooting of a black male is racially motivated.

The insistence of making every case an instance of racism distracts from real instances of racially-motivated police brutality.

Some of these cases clearly show one party being non-compliant/over-aggressive with the police.
Again.. Non-Compliance/Over-Agressive are NOT grounds to get executed or shot at..

And WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE EVERY INSTANCE... NO ONE makes it or made it about every instance..

When a guy is unarmed, and gets shot dead, Obvious protocols were not followed... A Cop is ALSO trained to call for back up in order to apprehend a perp and to ONLY shoot if the perp is endandering the lives of others or the officer's own lives.. (But that seems to be lost on u) as u see non-compliance and being over-aggressive as grounds to get shot.. No sir... That's NOT what cops are trained to do..


And lastly, if it happens enough times to show a trend,(which, it does) then it needs to be an issue that has to be dealt with...

How can u ignore the many VIDEO tape incidences of people getting shot and killed unjustly by cops??


This was an instance where the person murdered was overly aggressive towards a cop.

Had Brown not stole from the store, the cops would not have been called.

Had Brown peacefully complied with Wilson, he would not have been shot.

Furthermore, I don't need to comment on every video taped incident.
The issue is, people like Ron don't take into consideration, what the person was doing, that lead to their death. They say, well so what, he committed a crime, let him go, so that criminals like this, continue to make the neighborhoods crime infested.

Mike beat the officer at his truck, ran, and turned around to come back at the officer. What do you think, Mike was going to do, once he got to the officer? Shake his hand? Get on the ground, and say, I'm sorry? Say, take me to jail, I shouldn't have been robbing a store?

I, like the officer, would not take that chance...no one can tell you how YOU should behave when you're in a dangerous situation.

I'm still at odds on why, some are at odds with the police and complying?

Heck, I got stopped the other day, the very first thing on my mind was to run...

No, I didn't run, why? All my shit, is in order..I didnt' even get a ticket, why?

He said, thanks for answering my questions, just slow down please.
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The issue is, people like Ron don't take into consideration, what the person was doing, that lead to their death. They say, well so what, he committed a crime, let him go, so that criminals like this, continue to make the neighborhoods crime infested.
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hahahaha... When did I say they should let people and criminals who run havoc go?
Please, let's get serious for a second..

I HAVE a problem when people are UNJUSTLY KILLED BY COPS and people saying things led to their deaths... Unless the things they do put the Cops lives in danger, or other lives in danger, than I do have a problem with it...


lol and oh yea, for good measure, I'm all for arresting people who are committing or committed criminal acts.. Which is what a cop is EMPLOYED to do.. NOT KILLED UNJUSTLY because someone didnt comply or made them work more than they had to...

Like the Cop that shot that black dude as he was running away, and then LIED and MANUFACTURED the CRIME SCENE...

Did that guy deserved to get arrested for non-compliance? I can argue yes...

But did he deserved to get Murdered? I will SAY NO...


And I dont take what the cop's account said about Mike Brown... That's another forum..


And why people dont comply is because Cops break constitutional Laws when it comes to blacks and other citizens regularly...

You dont have a duty to comply when your constitutional Law are being broken..
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